God, Homosexuality, and the Dean perspective

[firefighter16]

There are "TONS" more democratic canidates to choose from......

[rick-g]

Perhaps I am trying to make this like an equation, (or black or white)and maybe I am coming off wrong. also I am trying to understand what Johnathon goes through.

I know I am new here, but to answer your question: I would stand up, The people here don't know me and don't know my history. I know who I am. I know what I am not.
I have been through quite a bit in my 42 years and it has made me a very different person.

I respect your opinion.

I totally disagree Rick. You make it sound like a person on a diet that can't resist an ice cream sundae, and that's not the way it works.

Consider this hypothetical situation: what if a man being with a woman was considered "deviant behavior"? What would you do, and how would you feel? Would you succumb to the pressure of establishment, and "go with the flow"? Would you lead a secret lifestyle, while creating the facade of being "normal"? Or would you have the courage to stand up and say, this is who I am, and I am happy with who I am?

I for one have great respect for people like Johnathon, who are honest about who they are and how they feel.

[GalvestonDuck]

I'm a registered Republican, therefore, I'll only vote Republican in the primaries (and usually in the Big Race also). So, the choice of Democratic candidates make no difference to me. It's up to the Dems to choose their candidate.

[firefighter16]

I don't think they will choose Dean, do you ?

[GalvestonDuck]

Nope, I doubt it.

I for one have great respect for people like Johnathan, who are honest about who they are and how they feel.

Hmph, what am I...chopped liver?

[firefighter16]

Nope.........


Roasted Duck..........

[GalvestonDuck]

LOL, true! I've had my share of roasts on here.

[firefighter16]

It definetly does not hurt to keep a sense of humor......

[rick-g]

Well, Dean's an idiot. I, for one, wouldn't care if he voiced major support for gay marriages. It's his views on abortion that take precedence in my book. He's for it til birth, I'm against it from day one.

Case closed.

When I saw Madonna endorse him, I had to figure something wasn't right.
I won't vote for Dean.

Fwiw, I agree with you. I don't care if the Gay people want to have the same legal rights married couple have. I do care about abortion.

Rick

[GalvestonDuck]

Fwiw, I agree with you. I don't care if the Gay people want to have the same legal rights married couple have. I do care about abortion.

Then you don't agree with me. I do care about some of "the Gay people (?)" However, a baby's right to life takes priority over whether or not I file a joint tax return or single.

[rick-g]

Nope, I doubt it.

I for one have great respect for people like Johnathan, who are honest about who they are and how they feel.

Hmph, what am I...chopped liver?

I thought you were a duck.

[weatherluvr]

I for one have great respect for people like Johnathan, who are honest about who they are and how they feel.

Hmph, what am I...chopped liver?

Sorry, I didn't mean to leave you out!

[blizzard]

Fwiw, I agree with you. I don't care if the Gay people want to have the same legal rights married couple have. I do care about abortion.

Then you don't agree with me. I do care about some of "the Gay people (?)" However, a baby's right to life takes priority over whether or not I file a joint tax return or single.

Money wise, you're better off filing a single return. Married couples get screwed on taxes. Other than that, the benefits for marriages far out weigh the drawbacks. And I see nothing wrong with same sex marriages. If you have found your soul mate, you should be allowed the same rights as opposite sex marriages.

[GalvestonDuck]

Sorry, I didn't mean to leave you out!

It's cool.

I thought you were a duck.

LOL! So, if I were chopped liver, it would be pâte .

[GalvestonDuck]

Thanks, Bliz!

[CaptinCrunch]

So, God didn't create me? I just evolved? Spare me the evolutionist rhetoric.

I personally don't believe that God created you or me. God created Adam and Eve and gave them the ability to procreate. The rest of us are descended from them. Evolution is a fact as evidenced by the changes in average height, dominate genes are called that for a reason. God and evolution are not incompatible. It's just one of the freatures that God implanted in our make-up. We grow, evolve and change as a species and as an individual. Some of the changes are out of our control and some of the changes are the result for choices we make during our lives. Why we can accept that there are genetic differences that result in abnormal physical development while at the same time refuse to accept that abnormalities also exist in our psycological and sexual genetic make-up defies my understanding. Before I get the world up in arms, by abnormal I just mean not within the norm. Not good not bad just different....

I will second this quote......

[rick-g]

I am tired and have not expressed myself was well as I could have:

IF non traditional couple wants to have the same rights as the traditional married couple IE: health care, tax breaks, , I agree with that. If they want to gov't to reconize their union, that is ok with me. IT is far easier for a married couple to buy better homes, fight legal battles than two people who live together.

[blizzard]

I am tired and have not expressed myself was well as I could have:

IF non traditional couple wants to have the same rights as the traditional married couple IE: health care, tax breaks, , I agree with that. If they want to gov't to reconize their union, that is ok with me. IT is far easier for a married couple to buy better homes, fight legal battles than two people who live together.

No such thing as tax breaks for married couples, though. That is a fantasy that I wish would come true. The tax on married couples is a penalty. But that is a whole different topic. Sorry to get off the subject, but that is a real sore spot with me.

[GalvestonDuck]

one more thing: genesis:19.5 talks about the act of homosexualty.

No, it talks about the act of rape and inhospitality.

Since I hate repeating myself, I'll just copy and paste:

Sodom and Gomorrah? The people in the town were inhospitable and they wanted to RAPE the angels. That's pretty sick if you ask me. No one condones rape -- heterosexual or homosexual. If you want to try to tell me one is worse than the other than society really does have a problem. Just the same as how someone who kills someone should suffer the same penalty as someone who kills someone out of hate. Hate crimes? It shouldn't matter. Murder is murder and rape is rape.

We're not talking about legalizing rape of any kind. We're talking about consensual adults in a loving, committed relationship who want to share the rest of their lives together.

Furthermore, Jesus talks about the inhospitality of Sodom and Gomorrah in the New Testament.

Matthew 10: 14-15:
If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

Luke 10: 7-16:
Stay in that house, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.
"When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is set before you. Heal the sick who are there and tell them, 'The kingdom of God is near you.' But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 'Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God is near.' I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.
"Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. "He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

And God describes it further in Ezekeiel 16:48-50:
As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord , your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done.
" 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

[Rainband]

I for one have great respect for people like Johnathan, who are honest about who they are and how they feel.

Hmph, what am I...chopped liver?

Sorry, I didn't mean to leave you out!

Thanks weatherluvr. Shawn..we still love you. My point is..I don't want anything extra I just want to be treated with respect and not judged . I respect everyones opinions on here. All I am saying is I live life..as who I am...so I know what I can and can't change. Like I said I respect all of your comments. Some are them are just wrong when it comes to who I am and why. It's silly if you think about it..I am really no different than the average Joe. I don't throw my Homosexuality in anyones face. I would be upset if I saw a an and women making out in public. There is a time and place for everything. So If you take that away..what makes me or any other gay person Different??