FLGUY&STORMFURY

[hurricanedude]

YOu both seem to be thinking a big mess in the MA......what about coastal SE VA?

[Stormsfury]

YOu both seem to be thinking a big mess in the MA......what about coastal SE VA?

Mike, you're really on the threshold, but VA Beach may have too much of a marine influence to get you into the sustainable wintry weather threat ... (as it stands for NOW)... watching continued trends to maintain the colder theme ...

However, IMHO, it's quite likely you start out as frozen, maybe even a quick burst of sleet/snow before changing over to liquid ...

SF

[hurricanedude]

the bay temp is down to 36......thats a bit colder than average, could that help the scene for snow/ice?

[FLguy]

YOu both seem to be thinking a big mess in the MA......what about coastal SE VA?

Mike, you're really on the threshold, but VA Beach may have too much of a marine influence to get you into the sustainable wintry weather threat ... (as it stands for NOW)... watching continued trends to maintain the colder theme ...

However, IMHO, it's quite likely you start out as frozen, maybe even a quick burst of sleet/snow before changing over to liquid ...

SF

yep, your going to start out as snow. with SOME accumulations before changing to frzra and perhaps to all rain.

[hurricanedude]

the bay temp is down to 36......thats a bit colder than average, could that help the scene for snow/ice?

[FLguy]

the bay temp is down to 36......thats a bit colder than average, could that help the scene for snow/ice?

it has more to do with the strong warm advection in the mid levels as compared to the marine influence. but places right along the coast will be the first to changeover to all rain. you cant keep an all snow event along the mid atlantic coast with a southeast wind and strong warm advection.

[hurricanedude]

oh well...maybe next time!!!

[FLguy]

the UVM will fight off the warm advection for a little while along the coast but once the mid-levels get above 0C the snow will changeover. the southeast wind component however is a death sentence for snow along the immediate coastal plain.

[hurricanedude]

I would prefer snow to rain scenario...vs a snow to frzra event...ICE SUCKS!!

[FLguy]

I would prefer snow to rain scenario...vs a snow to frzra event...ICE SUCKS!!

yea it does suck especially when folks 50 miles northwest of you are enjoying heavy snowfall. but it does look like there will be period of sleet and freezing rain before the change to all rain in VA beach.

but even what that said you should pick up a few inches of snow before the changeover.

[Stormsfury]

I would prefer snow to rain scenario...vs a snow to frzra event...ICE SUCKS!!

I prefer an all snow scenario ... but ZR is the absolute WORST nightmare. I do NOT like icestorms, and definitely do NOT like being without power, either ... WTH would I do without internet? .. LOL ..

Seriously, it's amazing how a lot of people think they can drive in ZR situations when most bust their butts just trying to walk on glazed-over sidewalks..

[hurricanedude]

1/4 in ice on top of 3-4 in of snow even with a turnover to rain still = BIG MESS

[Anonymous]

ZR on top of fresh snow in the presence of sub-freezing sfc temps is very, very bad for driving on snow-packed roads where the ZR simply piles up on the snowy surfaces of the road.

I can never comprehend why it is that folks will actually try to walk on those icy surfaces? That's dangerous, and if a car is driving on that surface and it tries to stop to avoid hitting the person trying to walk on that ice, the car will slide right into the pedestrian. Folks trying to walk on ZR-slicked surfaces inevitably fall and get injured. I just don't understand the rationale behind such behavior. It's like putting your hand in a fire and hoping it won't burn.

Stay indoors during ZR events. Don't worry about the morning paper; it'll still be there when the ice melts.


-JEB

[FLguy]

1/4 in ice on top of 3-4 in of snow even with a turnover to rain still = BIG MESS

exactly right. its something i know i dont like to see.

[FLguy]

ZR on top of fresh snow in the presence of sub-freezing sfc temps is very, very bad for driving on snow-packed roads where the ZR simply piles up on the snowy surfaces of the road.

I can never comprehend why it is that folks will actually try to walk on those icy surfaces? That's dangerous, and if a car is driving on that surface and it tries to stop to avoid hitting the person trying to walk on that ice, the car will slide right into the pedestrian. Folks trying to walk on ZR-slicked surfaced inevitably fall and get injured. I just don't understand the rationale behind such behavior. It's like putting your hand in a fire and hoping it won't burn.

Stay indoors during ZR events. Don't worry about the morning paper; it'll still be there when the ice melts.


-JEB

or giving yourself a blowtorch enema.

[Stormsfury]

ZR on top of fresh snow in the presence of sub-freezing sfc temps is very, very bad for driving on snow-packed roads where the ZR simply piles up on the snowy surfaces of the road.

I can never comprehend why it is that folks will actually try to walk on those icy surfaces? That's dangerous, and if a car is driving on that surface and it tries to stop to avoid hitting the person trying to walk on that ice, the car will slide right into the pedestrian. Folks trying to walk on ZR-slicked surfaced inevitably fall and get injured. I just don't understand the rationale behind such behavior. It's like putting your hand in a fire and hoping it won't burn.

Stay indoors during ZR events. Don't worry about the morning paper; it'll still be there when the ice melts.

This kind of event occurs frequently in the Pacific Northwest, and commonly referred to as a "silver thaw" ...

SF

[Anonymous]

ZR on top of fresh snow in the presence of sub-freezing sfc temps is very, very bad for driving on snow-packed roads where the ZR simply piles up on the snowy surfaces of the road.

I can never comprehend why it is that folks will actually try to walk on those icy surfaces? That's dangerous, and if a car is driving on that surface and it tries to stop to avoid hitting the person trying to walk on that ice, the car will slide right into the pedestrian. Folks trying to walk on ZR-slicked surfaced inevitably fall and get injured. I just don't understand the rationale behind such behavior. It's like putting your hand in a fire and hoping it won't burn.

Stay indoors during ZR events. Don't worry about the morning paper; it'll still be there when the ice melts.


-JEB

or giving yourself a blowtorch enema.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FLguy]

ZR on top of fresh snow in the presence of sub-freezing sfc temps is very, very bad for driving on snow-packed roads where the ZR simply piles up on the snowy surfaces of the road.

I can never comprehend why it is that folks will actually try to walk on those icy surfaces? That's dangerous, and if a car is driving on that surface and it tries to stop to avoid hitting the person trying to walk on that ice, the car will slide right into the pedestrian. Folks trying to walk on ZR-slicked surfaced inevitably fall and get injured. I just don't understand the rationale behind such behavior. It's like putting your hand in a fire and hoping it won't burn.

Stay indoors during ZR events. Don't worry about the morning paper; it'll still be there when the ice melts.

This kind of event occurs frequently in the Pacific Northwest, and commonly referred to as a "silver thaw" ...

SF

speaking of the PAC northwest, how about the bowling ball the GFS tried to send in the direction of the oregon coast. that was quite impressive.

[FLguy]

ZR on top of fresh snow in the presence of sub-freezing sfc temps is very, very bad for driving on snow-packed roads where the ZR simply piles up on the snowy surfaces of the road.

I can never comprehend why it is that folks will actually try to walk on those icy surfaces? That's dangerous, and if a car is driving on that surface and it tries to stop to avoid hitting the person trying to walk on that ice, the car will slide right into the pedestrian. Folks trying to walk on ZR-slicked surfaced inevitably fall and get injured. I just don't understand the rationale behind such behavior. It's like putting your hand in a fire and hoping it won't burn.

Stay indoors during ZR events. Don't worry about the morning paper; it'll still be there when the ice melts.


-JEB

or giving yourself a blowtorch enema.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yep you will be singing soprano after that one,

[hurricanedude]

so 3-4 in of snow and 1/4 in of ice in VA BEACH...how about my brother up in Hampton/Newport News area..AKA the peninsula...I would expect a bit more for him correct?