John Kerry...proud sponsor of Gay Rights and more

[j]

some of Kerry's views:
(I've edited the important parts in bold)

*I oppose the so-called "Defense of Marriage Act," which defines marriage as between a man and a woman, because it was nothing more than Senate-sponsored gay bashing that politicized this difficult question

*Bush's irresponsible economic policies have borrowed from future generations. I will cut the deficit in half in my first term, while investing in economic growth and American workers. (take a wild guess how he will accomplish this....the wealthy beware)

*I have never supported vouchers. I understand why parents want more choices and I believe they should have more choices in public schools. But what public schools need most are resources and support, and vouchers drain them of both. (translation: dump more money into the school system, make the teachers union happy, raise taxes)

*I will roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we can invest in education and healthcare. (translation: re-distribution of wealth, they don't deserve it, they need to give it to us)

*I'll ensure that young people have a place to go after school with increased funding and a new After-School tax credit to help millions of parents. (tax and spend, tax and spend...throw more money into a failing system)

*In my first 100 days as president, I will immediately reverse the Bush-Cheney rollbacks of our nation's Clean Air laws, plug loopholes in those laws, and vigorously enforce them. And I will protect the health of all Americans by adopting an aggressive program to meet ozone and air quality standards, stop acid rain, and reduce mercury emissions. (aggressive program = more tax dollars please)

*I'll remove toxins from our communities by reinvigorating the Superfund cleanup program (another way of saying I need more of your money to make this a big government program once again)

And of course...last but not least: Abortion on demand.

[chadtm80]

and these are only SOME of the reasons the dope wont be getting my vote.. Hope everyone that is prpared to vote for him is also prepared to pony up lots more of you hard earned money

[j]

and.....I'm sure all Southern voters have heard his comments that he can win the nomination without carrying even one of the former confederate states.

Perhaps J F Kerry should re-visit history to see when was the last time a Democratic Candidate won the Presidency w/o taking the South. I know the last 3...Johnson, Carter, and Clinton, all carried the South.

This guy is clueless.

[2 Seam Fastball]

Looks like another year for the Republicans J.

[rainstorm]

again i ask. why do liberals lock blacks into failed govt schools, but send their kids to private schools.
so they dont have to mix with blacks? just a thought.

[chadtm80]

uh... What? You saying only blacks ant afford private school?

[j]

again i ask. why do liberals lock blacks into failed govt schools, but send their kids to private schools.
so they dont have to mix with blacks? just a thought.

I'm confused..is this what you really meant to say?

[GalvestonDuck]

Okay, J...I warned you.

I'm just gonna climb through my monitor and tickle the living daylights out of the next member who posts anything with "gay" or "homosexual" or, God forbid, "lesbian" in the title.

I'm on the phone with my travel agent now so I can book a flight to SC and come get you!

And of course...last but not least: Abortion on demand.

As if I would have voted for him anyway. Even if this was Republican candidate who stood for everything I stood for on all the other issues, this one view would have lost his vote without a second thought from me.

[j]

Okay, J...I warned you.

I'm just gonna climb through my monitor and tickle the living daylights out of the next member who posts anything with "gay" or "homosexual" or, God forbid, "lesbian" in the title.

Sorry..I forgot.

[rainstorm]

again i ask. why do liberals lock blacks into failed govt schools, but send their kids to private schools.
so they dont have to mix with blacks? just a thought.

I'm confused..is this what you really meant to say?

i think i say it clearly. liberals think public schools are great for YOUR kids, but not theirs. when will liberals support vouchers so blacks can go to the same private schools their kids go to? liberals say they love blacks, but they dont show it.

[j]

I personallly don't have a strong opinion when it comes to vouchers although I'm leaning toward them in theory being a good idea.

What I object to is the Liberals theory that ANYTHING can be fixed by pouring more money into it. Our public school system is at the top of the list for textbook example of how to spend lots of money and get nowhere.

[Lindaloo]

I do not support the voucher. Why? because if I have to pay the high prices for private school then so should they. I get no hand outs. Blacks already get the hand out and it is called "Affirmative Action"

[j]

I Blacks already get the hand out and it is called "Affirmative Action"

On this..we definitely agree!

[GalvestonDuck]

If people (black, white, whatever) got vouchers to go to private schools, they wouldn't be private anymore, would they?

I don't get how supporting the use of vouchers is going to help a particular race. Does someone have a good link with a general synopsis on the voucher idea? I need more info. I just always though public schools were free and private schools charged tuition. Am I to understand that there's talk of offering vouchers for private schools in the same way there are food stamps for groceries?

*scratching head, feeling really lost on this one*

[rainstorm]

If people (black, white, whatever) got vouchers to go to private schools, they wouldn't be private anymore, would they?

I don't get how supporting the use of vouchers is going to help a particular race. Does someone have a good link with a general synopsis on the voucher idea? I need more info. I just always though public schools were free and private schools charged tuition. Am I to understand that there's talk of offering vouchers for private schools in the same way there are food stamps for groceries?

*scratching head, feeling really lost on this one*

how are public schools "free"? have you ever heard of taxes? lol!! i would be afraid to hand my kids over to the govt to be indoctrinated 8 hours a day. govt schools teach dependence on govt, political correctness, and conformity to the govt norm. people should be allowed to use their money to have schools that teach the values they believe in.
this is what too many people dont understand. nothing the govt does is "free". the govt produces nothing. everything we get from the govt was taken form someone that worked hard and earned an income. thats why i always say we should be down on our hands and knees thanking the "rich" in this country for all they give us. the govt gives us nothing

[j]

Am I to understand that there's talk of offering vouchers for private schools in the same way there are food stamps for groceries?

*scratching head, feeling really lost on this one*

I do not think you are alone on this one GD. Like I said, I support it in theory, but the more I think about it, and weighing it against my opposition views to quotas, affirmitive action programs, welfare programs...I may have to think twice.

I think my theoretical support of the program is fueled by the concept that somehow vouchers will force our public schools to become better. I', like you, need to research this one some more.

I have to remind myself from time to time, that I don't have to agree with everything the Republican party backs.

[GalvestonDuck]

how are public schools "free"? have you ever heard of taxes? lol!!

Considering the fact that not everyone in this bloody country works and pays taxes, to them, it is free. Their kids get on a bus, go to school, come home, do homework and whatever else, go to sleep, get up, and start all over again. They don't pay for the kid to go to school. They only have to pay for lunches (maybe), clothes, some supplies, and, on occasion, books. But not tuition.

people should be allowed to use their money to have schools that teach the values they believe in.

Fine, let them use THEIR money. Not my tax dollars (as you pointed out). My tax dollars already go towards educating their kids in a public school. Why should I fund their kid's private education? I've known plenty of people who attended private schools. Their parents had to fork over the money for tuition and were damn proud to do it in order to get their children a good education.

this is what too many people dont understand. nothing the govt does is "free". the govt produces nothing. everything we get from the govt was taken form someone that worked hard and earned an income. thats why i always say we should be down on our hands and knees thanking the "rich" in this country for all they give us. the govt gives us nothing

No, what I don't understand is the whole voucher thing. I'm still waiting on a link.

[Lindaloo]

Let me tell you something Helen! Private schools cost a heck of alot more than the taxes of public schools.

Tax dollars also are spent on welfare and illegals. They also get free lunches in the public schools.

[j]

try this:

http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/pros_con ... chers.html

[GalvestonDuck]

And another question --

I know there are non-religion-based private schools out there. Sayre High School in Lexington, KY is one of them. But aren't a large part of the private schools parochial? Wouldn't that somehow violate the separation of church and state if government vouchers paid for children to attend parochial schools?