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#41 Postby Anonymous » Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:23 am

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Cheesy_Poofs wrote:If he has a lengthy criminal record--why isn't he in jail?!?!?!

Absolutely. Why it is that someone can have 13 felonies on their record and not be locked up for life is beyond me. I'm not for the death penalty at all, but I hope this guy is locked up in maximum confinement for life with no parole... clearly that should have happened a long time ago, though, and it's the justice system's fault for not making it happen. I just don't get it... we're so overly lenient with people that commit crime after crime by letting them stay on the streets despite their danger, then suddenly we become overly harsh by putting them to death when they finally "cross the line" by committing murder.



OVERLY HARSH?!!! I do not think so!! Locked up for life? I do not think so again!! This is a very serious crime against a child. I hope he fries!!

I disagree. I am NOT "taking his side" or "forgetting Carlie's name" or any of the other outrageous tragedies implied by some of the strictly emotional posts on here, but I maintain that death is not the answer. The funny thing is, some of the supporters of "frying" and "torturing" this guy are the same Conservatives (not saying you are) who are also supposedly religious and patriotic -- and neither Christianity nor the Constitution would stand for any such punishment. IMHO the government's methods of dealing with criminals should be based on reason and prudence alone, NOT emotional outbursts. Feel free to disagree; just don't tell me you are patriotic or for the Constitution while doing so.
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#42 Postby mf_dolphin » Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:29 am

How do you get your stance on the Constitution being against capital punishment? That one is beyond me.... I can see your point of view on Christanity but I disagree there as well. I am a Christian but have absolutely no problem with caital punishment as far as crimes of this nature.
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#43 Postby j » Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:34 am

I'd sing Yankee Doodle Dandy while pulling the switch!

Brettjrob....don't know if you have any children, but let this piece of **** kill your child, then tell me about how you'd like to show compassion like a true Christain!
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#44 Postby Anonymous » Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:37 am

j wrote:I'd sing Yankee Doodle Dandy while pulling the switch!

Brettjrob....don't know if you have any children, but let this piece of **** kill your child, then tell me about how you'd like to show compassion like a true Christain!

I am not a Christian to begin wtih, that was my point... the people who are Christians are contradicting themselves if they want them FRIED or TORTURED.

mf_dolphin wrote:How do you get your stance on the Constitution being against capital punishment? That one is beyond me.... I can see your point of view on Christanity but I disagree there as well. I am a Christian but have absolutely no problem with caital punishment as far as crimes of this nature.

Again, you twisted my words a bit... I said that both of those are against TORTURING the criminal as several here have suggested pleasure at entertaining the thought of. I am against all capital punishment myself, but I am not going to claim that either institution is against a "civil" form such as lethal injection. But when it comes to torturing and "slow, painful death," I'm pretty sure I have a point.
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#45 Postby Guest » Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:39 am

I am VERY furious :x about the news. I mean the girl was an innocent person; how could a person possibly take the life of OUR future. It makes me sad when things like this happen, especially to young people (the entire range from birth into the 30s). They are usually the individuals that have a bright future on the way. I hope the idiot who did the murder gets what he deserves, pronto!

God bless her family! :cry: :cry: :(
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#46 Postby GalvestonDuck » Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:42 am

As a Conservative, I've voiced my opinion on this before. I do not feel immediate enforcement of the death penalty is the answer, although eventually it should be carried out.

First, however, something needs to be done to understand what motivated the crime. Obviously, he's a sick predator. We KNOW that. But what drove him to act on that particular day and against that particular child? We know he had a previous violation, although he was acquited, but his previous victim wasn't a child. So what provoked him to go after Carlie?

Second, what signs could have given someone a clue before he acted? Was he looking at child pornography? Did he exhibit any violent behavior or act out sexually in a bizarre way? Has he attempted to perpetrate acts against other children or was Carlie his first victim? And God only knows what other signs there could have been if we could just find out what he was doing weeks, days, or hours before he decided to do this.

If there was only a way to identify the potential for this type of behavior BEFORE it happens, then we don't have to see another report of a body being found AFTER it's too late to do anything about it.
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#47 Postby TexasStooge » Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:53 am

A missing 6-year-old girl named Opal Jennings was snatched from her home 5 years ago, and later, her bones were found. A future trial is set for the person who claims to kidnapped Opal Jennings.
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#48 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:53 am

brettjrob wrote:I disagree. I am NOT "taking his side" or "forgetting Carlie's name" or any of the other outrageous tragedies implied by some of the strictly emotional posts on here, but I maintain that death is not the answer. The funny thing is, some of the supporters of "frying" and "torturing" this guy are the same Conservatives (not saying you are) who are also supposedly religious and patriotic -- and neither Christianity nor the Constitution would stand for any such punishment. IMHO the government's methods of dealing with criminals should be based on reason and prudence alone, NOT emotional outbursts. Feel free to disagree; just don't tell me you are patriotic or for the Constitution while doing so.


I am not about to argue my position with you on either issue. Your lop sided view holds no water with me. This is the ultimate crime against a child. What part of that do you not understand? Emotional outburst? You have no idea. And I do believe that the Prosecutor in this case will seek the ultimate penalty for this type of crime. There is no disguising it nor hiding behind your version of our Constitution.
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#49 Postby mf_dolphin » Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:02 pm

I think I misunderstood his post as being against Capital Punishment. "Frying" refers to the electric chair which I think is still reasonable punishment. Of course we don't really condone torture, it's just a sentiment that he should have to endure the same fear and pain as his victim. I have faith that his final punishment rests in God's hands. All I hope is that we help him on his way to meet God :-)
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#50 Postby j » Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:21 pm

brettjrob wrote:I am not a Christian to begin wtih, that was my point... the people who are Christians are contradicting themselves if they want them FRIED or TORTURED.


As always brett, opposing views are welcome here on s2K. Unfortunately, you will most likely be in the minority due to the fact that the majority of members here are indeed Christains.

I took the liberty of finding an Atheist message board that you might find more appealing. Just trying to help.

http://groups.msn.com/AtheistsHaven/general.msnw
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#51 Postby Anonymous » Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:30 pm

j wrote:
brettjrob wrote:I am not a Christian to begin wtih, that was my point... the people who are Christians are contradicting themselves if they want them FRIED or TORTURED.


As always brett, opposing views are welcome here on s2K. Unfortunately, you will most likely be in the minority due to the fact that the majority of members here are indeed Christains.

I took the liberty of finding an Atheist message board that you might find more appealing. Just trying to help.

http://groups.msn.com/AtheistsHaven/general.msnw

Wow, looks like I'll stick to WWBB for off-topic discussions... I make a post with a non-Conservative view and get referred to an atheist message board :roll:. Guess what? I like the WEATHER, that's why I'm here... not to debate Christianity. As a result, I will be continuing to post here (in the weather sections at least) as long as I am allowed to by the owner and moderators. Everyone has their right to an opinion and viewpoint, but I can't understand why not even one person here has anything but adamant disagreement with my views. I still feel that anyone who mentioned things like "torture," "painful death," etc., are clearly not supportive of the eighth amendment nor of the Bible, and frankly it's hard to argue otherwise. Sorry, just my opinion.
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#52 Postby petal*pusher » Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:31 pm

brettjrob.....I understand your carefully written words. As upsetting as this horrible situation is to each of us, I also am left with uneasy feelings about a few "solutions" hastily posted here.

You are correct that there are laws in place that would have severe consequences for some of the suggested "actions". You are also correct that........absolutely no matter what the circumstances.........the afore-mentioned solutions would not be approved by our Heavenly Father.

Your religious beliefs should not be an issue here, my young friend. I feel you are being somewhat chastised for simply posting your thoughts......as each of the rest of us have. I am a Christian woman, a mother, and someone who thinks you have tremendous potential.......p :wink:
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#53 Postby janswizard » Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:47 pm

I'm torn on this one. I've always thought I was against the death penalty because there is always the possibility that the wrong person is being accused, etc. But when it involves a child, it makes it harder to make a decision because you want to see justice done.

But what is justice? Is it condemning another to die to even up a score? Or is justice letting someone live behind bars for the rest of their life?

I've got a headache - I don't even want to ponder this one.
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#54 Postby GalvestonDuck » Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:23 pm

brettjrob wrote:Everyone has their right to an opinion and viewpoint, but I can't understand why not even one person here has anything but adamant disagreement with my views.


How was my post in "adamant disgreement?"
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#55 Postby Anonymous » Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:35 pm

GalvestonDuck wrote:
brettjrob wrote:Everyone has their right to an opinion and viewpoint, but I can't understand why not even one person here has anything but adamant disagreement with my views.


How was my post in "adamant disgreement?"

Your post was the exception and you made some great points; I should have said so in my post. Still, it doesn't appear that anyone (other than petal*pusher) agrees with me. There's nothing "wrong" with that, I was just surprised to see such a strictly conservative group on this board.
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#56 Postby ColdFront77 » Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:42 pm

Too bad we have to be on one side or the other. It isn't like we can change our views on issues that drastically over short periods of time.
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#57 Postby vbhoutex » Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:02 pm

ColdFront77 wrote:Too bad we have to be on one side or the other. It isn't like we can change our views on issues that drastically over short periods of time.


AMEN TOM!!!! Nothing at all wrong with voicing opinions!!! Nothing at all wrong with disagreeing!!! Just remember every argument has two sides and sometimes both have merits.

I have not read through this whole thread, but probably will later tonight. Then I may post an opiniion. However as a Christian I have to think long and hard about capital punishment.

As a parent, if I allow myself to REACT - I WOULD SHOW NO MERCY FOR THE PERSON WHO DID THIS HEINOUS CRIME. But, then, as a parent I would also ask each and everyone here, including myself, what kind of an image am I portraying for my children and other young people?
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#58 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:09 pm

This thread has been turned into a Conservative vs Christian view on the death penalty by a certain poster. It still does not change the fact that this man killed a child. Whatever his punishment and this is coming from a MOTHER will never be enough.

Prosecuters in Sarasota have said they will seek the ultimate penalty in this case, which is death. My hat is off to them and I hope they get it.
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#59 Postby j » Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:44 pm

Amen..and if I might add, I'm willing to spend the extra money, (as Amnesty International studies have indicated), that it may cost to make this person liable for his actions with the penalty allowed by law, and keep him from ever doing this again. Please don't argue that being behind bars insures he will never kill again. (can you say Willie Horton?)
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#60 Postby Anonymous » Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:52 pm

Lindaloo wrote:This thread has been turned into a Conservative vs Christian view on the death penalty by a certain poster.

Wrong. First of all I am grouping the Christians and Conservatives together in saying that those who are one or both of those and want this man tortured are hypocrites. Secondly, I am in no way trying to turn a thread about a child being murdered into a debate on this subject. I am strictly debating the merits (or lack thereof) of inflicting further suffering on an individual for the suffering they have caused, and brought up that point because I noticed several here mentioning desire to see him put to death and even tortured who are also Christians, which I saw as a contradiction.
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