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#81 Postby streetsoldier » Sat Feb 07, 2004 12:29 am

I don't know about your particular states, but in MO, a confession by a suspect, after having been "Mirandized" and such confession attested to by a court recorder and the investigating officers is, de facto and de jure, a guilty plea.

The only thing left for a jury is to recommend sentencing, which may or may not be approved by the presiding magistrate.
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#82 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:13 am

Excellent post Bill. You are 100% correct. Most states have the same policies.
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#83 Postby GalvestonDuck » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:38 am

brettjrob wrote: you folks saying "see, he did it, CASE CLOSED, YOU WERE WRONG!!!" need to grow up IMO.


I never told anyone they were wrong. I never said, "He did it." I said that he confessed and I asked what other proof was needed -- after giving a list of things we know about the case, including the confession.

I'm not in Florida so I won't be serving on the jury, therefore, my opinion about his guilt, as well as anyone else's opinion here is not subject to the scrutiny of the law. If I was serving and if reasonable doubt was presented and proven, in all fairness, my fellow jurors and I would have to find him not guilty. However, since I'm not part of the group deciding his fate, I said, "Case closed" because in my book, it is.

I don't see anyone here who has been exorbitantly angry about this case nor presenting an "intense need to blame someone" for the crime. We've seen the facts that are out there and we've offered our opinions regarding them. It seems pretty reasonable that he's to blame.

For the sake of argument, has any reasonable doubt been offered yet? Has the suspect given an alibi? Could it be proven that he had a beard on Sunday, when the abduction was caught on tape, and therefore he wasn't the one of the video? (That hasn't been mentioned yet, but something that could provide doubt.)

brettjrob wrote:you folks...need to grow up IMO


That's not really in the spirit of debate, is it? :)
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#84 Postby Anonymous » Sat Feb 07, 2004 10:53 am

GalvestonDuck wrote:
brettjrob wrote: you folks saying "see, he did it, CASE CLOSED, YOU WERE WRONG!!!" need to grow up IMO.


I never told anyone they were wrong. I never said, "He did it." I said that he confessed and I asked what other proof was needed -- after giving a list of things we know about the case, including the confession.

I was mainly referring to Lindaloo's absurd posts of "Gosh I hope you are kidding me," and later "Seems you have no argument any more. He has confessed!" as if she had somehow had the great insight to know ahead of time he did it that had been validated/proven when he confessed :roll:.
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#85 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Feb 07, 2004 10:56 am

There is no need for that brett. They may allow this type of posting over at WWBB but it is not allowed here.
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#86 Postby Anonymous » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:04 am

Lindaloo wrote:There is no need for that brett. They may allow this type of posting over at WWBB but it is not allowed here.

Please elaborate on what type of unallowed posting I have done... I see lots of people with the Conservative view here disagreeing with me, some in a pretty harsh manner... and all I'm doing is responding. If you mean that posts in disagreement with the moderators' point of view are not allowed, please say so, because I can't think of anything else wrong I could've done.
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#87 Postby Stephanie » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:04 am

People are allowed to express their opinion. You are also allowed to say that you disagree. HOWEVER brett, when it comes to bashing that's when the line is drawn. As Lindaloo said, WWBB is a fine board for conversations like that.
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#88 Postby Anonymous » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:06 am

Stephanie wrote:People are allowed to express their opinion. You are also allowed to say that you disagree. HOWEVER brett, when it comes to bashing that's when the line is drawn. As Lindaloo said, WWBB is a fine board for conversations like that.

Where is the bashing? Certainly me expressing disgust at some of Linda's posts is no worse than her snarling "Gosh I hope you are kidding" at another member. The rules have to apply to the moderaters too, I would think...
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#89 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:08 am

brettjrob wrote:Please elaborate on what type of unallowed posting I have done... I see lots of people with the Conservative view here disagreeing with me, some in a pretty harsh manner... and all I'm doing is responding. If you mean that posts in disagreement with the moderators' point of view are not allowed, please say so, because I can't think of anything else wrong I could've done.


The bashing. If you want to debate then fine. I welcome your diagreement. But when you attack it is an entirely different issue. I have read your posts at WWBB. :wink:
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#90 Postby Guest » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:13 am

brettjrob wrote:
janswizard wrote:I think both you folks need to bone up on the law. Regardless of his confession, he has to be found guilty by a jury of his peers in order for the criminal justice system to pronounce him guilty or he must plead guilty at the appropriate place and time. You make it sound like I'm saying that I don't think he did it - which I have never said. Keep twisting my words around - sooner or later you will twist them back into the context that I originally stated.

I couldn't agree more -- you folks saying "see, he did it, CASE CLOSED, YOU WERE WRONG!!!" need to grow up IMO. Yes, it's almost certain that he's the guy now that he confessed, but the fact that you were saying you were sure he was the guy beforehand and Janswizard was being reasonable and saying let's wait and see doesn't mean anything. I think some of you are just so angry over this tragic murder that you feel an intense need to blame someone for it and see them suffer, which is somewhat understandable, but still unreasonable.


POINT IS This guy confessed. Which tells me he did it. And that camera doesnt lie and lets not forget that it will be enhanced as well to further prove this case. What more do you two want. I think everyone here realizes how the law works. Yea it still has to go threw the court system but the point beeing expressed here is that this guy admitted to it. And i like alot of other here feels he should fry. Not rushing to judgement just making a opinion on what should be done with this guy seeing how he admitted to it. Now how about you two try not to make this into something else. I complately understood what everyone else has said but someone for some odd reason you two dont. Point is i think they are thinking along the ame lines i am.
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#91 Postby Stephanie » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:14 am

The rules apply to everyone, but is it really necessary to tell someone to "grow up"? Isn't that alittle inflamatory and immature?
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#92 Postby Anonymous » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:39 am

Stephanie wrote:is it really necessary to tell someone to "grow up"? Isn't that alittle inflamatory and immature?

You're probably right about that, and I apologize for that post... I was getting a little carried away.
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#93 Postby Stephanie » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:50 am

brettjrob wrote:
Stephanie wrote:is it really necessary to tell someone to "grow up"? Isn't that alittle inflamatory and immature?

You're probably right about that, and I apologize for that post... I was getting a little carried away.


No problem brett - that's all Lindaloo and I were trying to say.

(shakes hands) :D
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#94 Postby Pburgh » Sat Feb 07, 2004 2:30 pm

Wow, I came in out of the cold to get warm and this seems to be a really HOT spot!!!!

Feelings about this situation are so very different and volatile. Moms have a tendancy to be like "Mother Bears" when it comes to our children. Brett, you're Mom would feel the same way.

I have two daughters and say "Let that SOB FRY!!!!"
I can't even imagine what Carlie's family is going thru. Prayers going out their way.
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#95 Postby Skywatch_NC » Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:30 am

My prayers and thoughts with Carlie's family and friends. :cry: :cry: I read a news article saying she always had a smile and ((((HUG)))) for her friends and family, she loved to go to the mall with friends, was a fan of entertainer Jennifer Lopez, etc.

People like Joseph Smith should be sent overseas to a country where punishment is more than just an electric chair, gas chamber or lethal injection! :grrr:

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#96 Postby therock1811 » Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:32 pm

Skywatch_NC wrote:My prayers and thoughts with Carlie's family and friends. :cry: :cry: I read a news article saying she always had a smile and ((((HUG)))) for her friends and family, she loved to go to the mall with friends, was a fan of entertainer Jennifer Lopez, etc.

People like Joseph Smith should be sent overseas to a country where punishment is more than just an electric chair, gas chamber or lethal injection! :grrr:

Eric
I don't mean to be mean about this...but what more CAN be done? Killing someone is the worst punishment I can think of. And BTW, yes I do think he should die.
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