6th grader suspended for bring SI swimsuite issue to school.

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#21 Postby Guest » Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:23 am

School is not place for this magazine.
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#22 Postby j » Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:43 am

This same school probably lets their students use the "f" word w/o any disciplinary action
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#23 Postby GalvestonDuck » Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:48 am

I guess I'm going to need to check out the magazine so I can know what exactly we're talking about. I thought it was just models in swimsuits. Heck, I remember when I was in 7th grade and everyone was talking about a book that was in our library called "Wifey" by Judy Blume. But the only ones talking were the kids. If you've read it, you know that it's NOT one of her children's books.
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#24 Postby j » Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:57 am

I'll agree with ticka sort of..school is not the place for this specific issue of SI.

The school policy should be clearly defined as to exclusion of this specific issue, because the other 50 something issues a year are predominently sports.
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#25 Postby Guest » Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:09 am

I agree J. The other 51 issues would be acceptable.
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#26 Postby JCT777 » Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:33 am

Here's a thought - can't these same 6th graders go to a beach and see women in swimsuits? As others have suggested, take away the magazine. A suspension is going overboard.
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#27 Postby Cheesy_Poofs » Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:02 pm

JCT777 wrote:Here's a thought - can't these same 6th graders go to a beach and see women in swimsuits? As others have suggested, take away the magazine. A suspension is going overboard.


I agree.I know I've seen worse at the beach!
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#28 Postby sunnyday » Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:40 pm

Hardcore stuff should be cause for suspension and then some. That rrash is harmful in so many ways and has no place in school.
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#29 Postby coriolis » Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:46 pm

I saw this issue. I didn't notice any sports articles in it. (But then again, maybe I wasn't looking for them - if you know what I mean). There's pictures in there that you would NOT see at a beach. 6 pages of "painted-on" suits. These were not suits at all, just paint on the body to look like a suit, but if you really "studied" it (like I did) you can see that it's bare skin. And no strategically placed arms or accessories either! This one does not belong in school!
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#30 Postby GalvestonDuck » Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:20 pm

Okay, wait -- are we really talking about hardcore stuff? Surely, the SI issue is not pornographic, even in a softcore sense, is it? Are there men or women "partnered" with the models? If not, then it's not pornographic. Inappropriate for kids, maybe. Indecent, maybe. Obscene, maybe.

I still have to see it to give an honest opinion.

Ed -- you should see the Galveston beaches during Beach Party Weekend in April. :o

I don't get why they call them swimsuit models. When I was on the swim team, our suits were one piece, racing back lycra Speedos. You can't really "swim" in a bikini. Wade in the water, maybe, or sunbathe (thus, bathing suit). But I guess "Sports Illustrated Bathing Suit Issue" just doesn't have the same ring, does it? :lol:
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#31 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:51 am

sunnyday wrote:School is not the place for that magazine. It would interfere with teaching, to say the least. I know I'm in the minority, as usual, but think about it.


I agree with you 100%!!! In a sixth grade setting, that particular issue of SI would be disruptive. BUT GIVE ME A BREAK!!!SUSPENSION???????DDDDUUUUMMMMMBBBBBB!!!!!!! Talk about OVER REACTING!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:
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#32 Postby blizzard » Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:12 am

OK, some of you have said that SI Swimsuit issue is not a learning tool or educational.

Now, answer this question. How much learning is going on while that student is suspended from school????

I'll tell ya! Absolutely NONE. So, if you want to talk about the importance of learning. All the student is learning is hypocrisy. I would imaging that Hot Rod magazine is allowed, the only difference is the number of pics in the magazine.
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#33 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:17 am

Actually, I wonder what business a student has bringing a magazine to school unless it is part of an assignment. Any magazine would be disruptive unless it is an assigned learning tool which all the students in the class were told to bring, especially at the 6th grade level.
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#34 Postby coriolis » Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:28 pm

Yeah, no suspension. I would have just confiscated the magazine and kept it for myself.
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#35 Postby j » Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:39 pm

vbhoutex wrote:Actually, I wonder what business a student has bringing a magazine to school unless it is part of an assignment. Any magazine would be disruptive unless it is an assigned learning tool which all the students in the class were told to bring, especially at the 6th grade level.


Good point...it really needs to be all or nothing. You can't expect kids, especially at that age, to use any descretion. Again..not sure what the school's policy was, but if magazines are permitted, and the content is judged "innapropriate, then the whole argument about "what" is appropriate becomes the centerpiece.

The only safe way is to ban magazines all together unless like you said, it is approved for a class project.
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#36 Postby timNms » Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:05 pm

By 6th grade, I'm willing to bet that the kid knew better than to bring that particular magazine to class. I'm sure he knew that there was no educational value in it (other than sex ed, maybe lol). I'd be surprised if this was the kid's first offense!
Although I don't think a 6th grader has any business looking at half naked women, (nor does an adult male, unless he's looking at his wife) as I mentioned before, if this had happened in my classroom, I'd have taken the magazine and destroyed it, explained to the child why it was inappropriate and dropped the issue. If the kid had been in trouble before, I may have called his parent(s). Sometimes making a big deal over something as trivial as that causes more trouble than it does good. On the other hand, if the magazine had been a weapon, or drugs, I can understand sending the kid home. I had a 3rd grader bring a hunting knife to school once. He knew exactly what it was for and had it hidden in his jacket sleeve in a position that he could readily have used it on someone. Needless to say, he was sent home for the remainder of the school year. And no, he wasn't learning, but he wasn't keeping others from learning! :)
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#37 Postby timNms » Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:22 pm

blizzard wrote:OK, some of you have said that SI Swimsuit issue is not a learning tool or educational.

Now, answer this question. How much learning is going on while that student is suspended from school????

I'll tell ya! Absolutely NONE. So, if you want to talk about the importance of learning. All the student is learning is hypocrisy. I would imaging that Hot Rod magazine is allowed, the only difference is the number of pics in the magazine.


Although I agree that suspending the kid was a bit overboard, if this kid was a "troublemaker" and a constant classroom disruption, I bet there was a lot more learning going on in the classroom AFTER he was gone.

I am a firm believer in giving each child an equal opportunity to learn. However, if a kid is keeping others from learning, he/she needs to go! When 90% of the teacher's time is spent trying to keep one child out of trouble, the other kids are suffering.
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#38 Postby bfez1 » Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:03 pm

SI is not hardcore stuff. It's a swimsuit issue. Not Playboy or Penthouse. Take the magazine away from the kid but suspension is going overboard. To many other serious matters to be concerned about in schools these days. JMO !!!
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#39 Postby sunnyday » Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:49 pm

You can be sure that a 6th grader has discretion and knows that a magazine with scantily clad women has no place in a classroom. That being said, boys of that age are beginning to have sexual urges that make them interested in such things. IMHO, it is up to his mom and dad to guide him towards more appropriate reading material!
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#40 Postby j » Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:32 am

just wondering sunnyday if you've raised any boys to and through this age?

Not trying to be a smart ***, but I challenge your rebuttal that they have no discretion.
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