from the CONSERVATIVE washington times. bush in big trouble

Chat about anything and everything... (well almost anything) Whether it be the front porch or the pot belly stove or news of interest or a topic of your liking, this is the place to post it.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Message
Author
rainstorm

from the CONSERVATIVE washington times. bush in big trouble

#1 Postby rainstorm » Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:22 am

Disappointing numbers




Despite sustained expansion in economic output over the last three quarters of 2003, during which gross domestic product increased at an average annual rate exceeding 5 percent, the U.S. labor market remained weak at year's end, as we all learned yesterday.
The February employment report revealed that payrolls increased by 21,000 jobs. Several caveats made that figure disappointing. First, January's employment estimate was revised downward by 23,000 jobs, meaning that February's nonfarm payrolls totaled 2,000 jobs fewer than the figure initially reported for January. (December employment figures were revised downward as well.) Second, the effect of the downward revisions reduced January's tepid job growth below 100,000 to 97,000. That means that there has not been a single month in which nonfarm employment has increased by 100,000 jobs since February 2001. This, despite the fact that the 2001 recession ended 27 months ago.
Third, the reported increase of 21,000 jobs for February occurred in the government sector. That means that net private-sector job creation last month was zero. Fourth, the downward revisions for January and December, combined with February's disappointing numbers, mean that employment has now grown by an average of only 42,000 jobs per month during the past three months. Fifth, while employment has grown during each of the past six months, only 364,000 jobs have been generated over this period.
By the 27th month following the end of the 1990-91 recession, whose aftermath was widely characterized as a jobless recovery, more than 2.1 million jobs had been created. In contrast, last month's nonfarm payrolls were still nearly 750,000 jobs below the level that prevailed at the November 2001 trough 27 months earlier.
Meanwhile, the unemployment rate remained steady last month at 5.6 percent, having fallen from the cyclical peak of 6.3 percent reached in June. That is only 1.3 percentage points above the 4.3 percent unemployment rate that prevailed when the recession began in March 2001. Given the failure of the current recovery to generate jobs commensurate with previous expansions, why has there been such a relatively small increase in the unemployment rate? The answer: The labor force participation rate fell below 66 percent last month for the first time since 1988. If the civilian labor force participation rate were at the same level (67.1 percent) it was in March 2001, last month's unemployment rate would have been 7.3 percent, fully 3 percentage points above the rate when the recession began three years ago.


its time to face facts, i now think the unemployment rate is going back up, which will mean a kerry landslide and a democrat congress. there is plenty of good eco news, but jobs is THE issue. i dread to even think what the march unemployment figures will be. if it goes up, and i think thats likely now, the election is over. very depressed right now. :cry:
0 likes   

timNms
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1371
Age: 63
Joined: Sat Oct 19, 2002 5:45 pm
Location: Seminary, Mississippi
Contact:

#2 Postby timNms » Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:34 am

See my post, "I saw this on "another" board" in this thread:
http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic ... 7&start=20
0 likes   

rainstorm

#3 Postby rainstorm » Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:39 am

very true tim!! i believe your stats. but it makes no difference. the public cant understand complex thoughts.


this is what troubles me:
Minority party syndrome


By Richard W. Rahn



"There are two political parties in America, the stupid party and the evil party," goes the old adage. This is about the stupid party — the Republican Party.
The majority of Americans consistently tell pollsters they prefer lower taxes and less government spending. More Republicans than Democrats consistently say they believe in smaller government and lower taxes. Given these statements of belief, the Republican Party should be the permanent majority party, but it is not.
Republicans pride themselves on being better stewards of the public purse and providing more honest government than their Democrat competitors. In general, this is true, but Republicans have a tendency to commit political suicide, like lemmings jumping off a cliff, by taxing and spending like Democrats once they obtain majority status.
The result of rapid increases in taxing and spending is always the same. Businesses find themselves less competitive because of the growing tax burden, so they hire fewer workers and some businesses just pick up and move to greener pastures. This, in turn, causes the higher tax economy to slow relative to lower tax jurisdictions. Eventually, the citizens get fed up with the high taxes and reduced economic opportunity and throw out the ruling party. This cycle gets repeated time and time again, and the Republicans never seem to learn.
My own state of Virginia is the current poster child for suicidal Republicans. The Democrat Gov. Mark Warner sounded like a conservative Republican when he ran for office and pledged not to raise taxes. Predictably, he has now proposed a big tax increase. Being a Democrat, his political base does not hold it against him, because the Democrats are the party of big government. Remember, Bill Clinton promised to cut taxes when he first ran for president, but then turned around and raised them — but, again, this is not a sin for a Democrat.
When Mr. Warner proposed the tax increase, the politically smart and economically responsible thing for the Republican majority in the state legislature would have been to oppose it. Instead, the Republican Senate leadership came up with an even bigger tax increase proposal, once again proving they are members of the stupid party.
Note, the Virginia economy has boomed for the last several decades, primarily because it was responsibly governed until the last few years. Virginia state spending has gone up almost 50 percent since 1998, far outstripping the growth in population and inflation.
Rather than be responsible and keep the growth in government programs at a rate no greater than citizens' incomes, many Republican members of the legislature offer lame excuses for going back on their promises to the voters.
Republicans tend to be less tolerant about being lied to by their elected representatives — hence, we can expect to see numerous "former" Republican state politicians over the next couple of years.
At the national level, many Republican officials also have "Economic History Attention Deficit Disorder," a k a "EHADD." Herbert Hoover raised taxes, tariffs and spending, which turned a normal recession with help from the Federal Reserve into the Great Depression, and it took the Republicans more than a generation to make a comeback after that fiasco.
Richard Nixon thought it was smart to tax and spend like Lyndon Johnson, so his economic policies and Watergate resulted in us all having to suffer through the Jimmy Carter years.
Ronald Reagan is greatly respected because he didn't sell out his party or nation, and did manage to reduce the growth in the nondefense side of government spending and relieved us of punitive high tax rates.
The first George Bush came down with a case of EHADD after he was elected. Forgetting the lessons Mr. Reagan had taught, The former President Bush increased taxes after pledging not to — which resulted in enough Republicans sitting out the next election to cause him to be unemployed.
Our current president clearly understands Republicans need to cut rather than increase taxes. But it is troubling that this administration appears not to comprehend that growth in government spending destroys more private sector jobs than can be created in the government sector and that limiting government means limiting spending growth.
It is even more depressing to listen to some Republican members of Congress, EHADD sufferers all, say they might not vote to make the recently enacted tax cuts permanent or, even worse, vote to increase taxes.
The reason Republicans are viewed as the stupid party, throwing away what should be their majority status, is that they have allowed those who suffer from EHADD to hold office and vote. Political leaders who are infected with EHADD are true weapons of mass destruction, and hence must be eliminated.
0 likes   

User avatar
Stephanie
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 23843
Age: 63
Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:53 am
Location: Glassboro, NJ

#4 Postby Stephanie » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:04 am

I don't look at the Republican Party as being the stewarts of the economy anymore. That WAS their strength and the reason why I had voted for Reagan and Bush number 1. You just can't deny now that we HAD a surplus and now it is gone. We may have still had a deficit after 9/11 due to the spending on the war on terrorism, the extension of unemployment benefits for those laid off due to that tragedy, but that excess money WAS there and could've been used to help our economy and our war now.
0 likes   

rainstorm

#5 Postby rainstorm » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:16 am

the economists on fox this morning are almost unanimous that bush loses
0 likes   

User avatar
Stephanie
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 23843
Age: 63
Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:53 am
Location: Glassboro, NJ

#6 Postby Stephanie » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:22 am

Helen - it's going to be a very interesting 8 months. As I mentioned in the poll as to who I would vote for, I do not want to vote for Bush, but I do have questions about Kerry. I think it's going to be very close and no matter what happens, this nation will still be polarized. Right now, my faith in the leadership of this country, current and potential, is at an all-time low. I really do wish that we have a viable third party candidate. We will NEVER overcome the right versus left issues until that happens.
0 likes   

OtherHD
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2192
Age: 39
Joined: Tue Oct 08, 2002 10:01 am
Location: San Antonio, TX

#7 Postby OtherHD » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:25 am

rainstorm wrote:the economists on fox this morning are almost unanimous that bush loses


Party at my place and everyone is invited!!!!! 8-) 8-)

Anyway, Stephanie, I agree with you, of course.
0 likes   

rainstorm

#8 Postby rainstorm » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:26 am

i feel sorry for bush. he meant well, but he decided to mke dems happy rather than do what was right.
0 likes   

chadtm80

#9 Postby chadtm80 » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:37 am

rainstorm: bla bla bla bla
0 likes   

User avatar
Lindaloo
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 22658
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:06 am
Location: Pascagoula, MS

#10 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:42 am

rainstorm this is getting quite old from you. Either you support Bush or you don't. I am getting the feeling you don't.

People are not stupid nor do they buy into all that Kerry hoopla. Kerry is what he is and there is no denying that.

Had we not experienced 9/11 the economy would have been booming. Bush also inherited a bad economy from Clinton.
0 likes   

timNms
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1371
Age: 63
Joined: Sat Oct 19, 2002 5:45 pm
Location: Seminary, Mississippi
Contact:

#11 Postby timNms » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:48 am

All this doom and gloom talk about Bush is getting old. IMO, when it comes right down to it, the Republican party will support their candidate. I know of one die hard democrat that will vote for Bush come November. My mother told me a couple of days ago that there is no way that she could vote for Kerry. She disagrees with a lot of his policies and said she will vote for Bush. She likes the way he's taken a stand against terrorism.

If I were a betting man, I'd be willing to bet that come November, we'll see Bush win this one and this time it won't have to go thru the justices :)
I just can't imagine how anyone could support Kerry when the man can't make up his mind on things. He'll say one thing today and something totally opposite tomorrow.
0 likes   

User avatar
mf_dolphin
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 17758
Age: 68
Joined: Tue Oct 08, 2002 2:05 pm
Location: St Petersburg, FL
Contact:

#12 Postby mf_dolphin » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:53 am

I'll take bets against Kerry! I'll be happy to cover any and all that want to back him ;-)
0 likes   

rainstorm

#13 Postby rainstorm » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:22 pm

Lindaloo wrote:rainstorm this is getting quite old from you. Either you support Bush or you don't. I am getting the feeling you don't.

People are not stupid nor do they buy into all that Kerry hoopla. Kerry is what he is and there is no denying that.

Had we not experienced 9/11 the economy would have been booming. Bush also inherited a bad economy from Clinton.


i like bush, and i want him to win, but i am voting libertarian. let me just list a few things.
a-bush passed a huge education spending bill, a huge drug benefit bill, and a joke of an immigration bill, and not 1 single dem will vote for him because of it. but many conservatives wont vote for him because of it.
b-his administration cant fight the liberal press. they are constantly on the defensive
c-i agree that the economic news is mostly good, but that is meaningless. to be brutally honest most voters arent educated. they hear that bush is costing jobs from the liberal press and thats it
d-i fully expect unemployment to go up next month. the momentum is now 0, and the economy is huge. by the time jobs do go up, it will be too late, and meaningless for bush.
e-kerry will inherit a great economy, and the press will giove him credit for it
f-we are done as a great nation. kerry will put our military under french control. he has already said so.
g-we are headed to socialism
h-expect kerry to make conservative talk radio illegal. dont think it can happen? the congress passed a blatant limitation on free speech. the mccain bill.
i-supreme court will be radical liberal. by the time kerry's 8 years are up, the court will consist of 9 ultra libs. and do you think repubs will do what dems did to bushs judges. no chance!! republicans are spineless.
j-the whole judiciary will be radical liberal. kerry is a radical. never forget what he said after he came back from viet nam.
k-tax cuts are gone forever
l-social security reform is dead
m-school vouchers dead
n-a bleak future indeed, not to mention no drilling for oil.
o-again, i wish this wasnt going to happen, but it will
0 likes   

rainstorm

#14 Postby rainstorm » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:24 pm

and linda, i agree with you. the economy would be booming but for 9/11. but it is a meaningless argument. voters dont think in complex thoughts. 9/11 has been forgotten anyway
0 likes   

User avatar
Lindaloo
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 22658
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:06 am
Location: Pascagoula, MS

#15 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:26 pm

You gave me the A-Z's too many times. Let's hear some A-Z's on Bush's record. Not Kerry. You need to quit listening to the liberal biased news media and think for yourself.

Bush will win in 2004 by a landslide.
0 likes   

User avatar
Lindaloo
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 22658
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:06 am
Location: Pascagoula, MS

#16 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:32 pm

Check out Kerry's voting record. He is scary!!

https://ssl.capwiz.com/aclu/bio/?id=298 ... 1081&lvl=C
0 likes   

User avatar
southerngale
Retired Staff
Retired Staff
Posts: 27418
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:27 am
Location: Southeast Texas (Beaumont area)

#17 Postby southerngale » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:32 pm

rainstorm wrote:the economists on fox this morning are almost unanimous that bush loses


What economists? I have Fox News on most of the time.....somehow I missed that.
0 likes   
Please support Storm2k by making a donation today. It is greatly appreciated! Click here: Image

Image my Cowboys Image my RocketsImage my Astros

User avatar
southerngale
Retired Staff
Retired Staff
Posts: 27418
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:27 am
Location: Southeast Texas (Beaumont area)

#18 Postby southerngale » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:33 pm

timNms wrote:I just can't imagine how anyone could support Kerry when the man can't make up his mind on things. He'll say one thing today and something totally opposite tomorrow.


Kinda like Rainstorm lately. :lol:
0 likes   
Please support Storm2k by making a donation today. It is greatly appreciated! Click here: Image

Image my Cowboys Image my RocketsImage my Astros

rainstorm

#19 Postby rainstorm » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:40 pm

from 10-12 sat morning. bulls and bears. even the dem on the panel said job growth had hit bottom, and would soon drastically improve, but too late for bush. thus kerry gets credit for it.

i know kerry is an ultra lib. i know kerry hates the military. i know that Kim Jon Ill in North Korea wants him to win. voters dont care about that. they dont think in complex thoughts. we are through as a great nation the day kerry wins, but its done.
i feel so sorry for bush. he deserves to be re-elected.
0 likes   

ColdFront77

#20 Postby ColdFront77 » Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:57 pm

Fox News Channel's Business Block/"The Cost of Freedom" -- Saturday Morning's from 10:00 am to Noon Eastern:

10:00 am ET to 10:30 am ET: Bulls & Bears
10:30 am ET to 11:00 am ET: Cavuto on Business
11:00 am ET to 11:30 am ET: Forbes on FOX
11:30 am ET to 12:00 pm ET: Cashin' In
0 likes   


Return to “Off Topic”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests