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#21 Postby Anonymous » Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:59 pm

Lindaloo wrote:Truth hurt? I think so!!

Ouch!

It was a Democratic President that allowed the terrorists to keep getting away with attacks which lead up to Sept. 11th.

Ridiculous. Are you honestly going to contend that had a Republican been elected in '92 or '96, September 11 would never have occurred? And regardless, Bush had a good 18 months in office to take care of the problem before we were attacked, so it's still a terrible argument.

I know alot of great people who have been through the same thing as Rush. Let's not be quick to judge.

That is not the point... I have no business judging his personal issues such as the painkiller addiction, and am glad to see that he has recovered (hopefully). What IS the point is that this same man was demanding that drug users be incarcerated and given maximum sentences. Do you not see a problem with that? I guess the rules apply to everyone but himself (and maybe some select other self-righteous conservatives, but I'd have to confirm that with Limbaugh Almighty first).

And if you want to debate that is fine, if you want to make lewd comments then take them back to the wwbb.

I apologize if you find my posts to be "lewd," but so far in this thread, I have made no such posts.
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#22 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:04 pm

That is exactly what I am saying Brettjrob. Bush Sr took action, Reagan took action and did a great job doing it.

Clinton could have extradited OBL from Sudan and didn't. And more... WTC bombing in 93, African Embassy bombing, USS Cole all under the Clinton reign. And please do not say he fired a missile because sending one missile does not do a thing.

GW Bush on Sept. 11th... took names and asked questions later. Took out a dictator that Clinton allowed to remain in power along with the UN while he gassed our troops and the Kurds during the Gulf War. Guess those mass graves over there mean nothing to you though right?!!
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#23 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:15 pm

You are debating about Bush but you do not even know how long he was in office before Sept. 11th.
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#24 Postby Anonymous » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:19 pm

Lindaloo wrote:You are debating about Bush but you do not even know how long he was in office before Sept. 11th.

True... I was thinking January 2000 instead of 2001 for some reason... so it was 8 months. Big mistake on my part. :oops:

But please... feel free to respond to the other topics we were debating, rather than being selective.

I still do not feel that Bush Sr., Dole, Gore, or anyone else would have prevented the September 11 terrorist attacks. They were largely due to intelligence failure and should not be blamed on any President.
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#25 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:21 pm

Actually it was 8 months not 9. And I am not selective nor do I dissect posts.

So here ya go. Guess you missed it.

Lindaloo wrote:

That is exactly what I am saying Brettjrob. Bush Sr took action, Reagan took action and did a great job doing it.

Clinton could have extradited OBL from Sudan and didn't. And more... WTC bombing in 93, African Embassy bombing, USS Cole all under the Clinton reign. And please do not say he fired a missile because sending one missile does not do a thing.

GW Bush on Sept. 11th... took names and asked questions later. Took out a dictator that Clinton allowed to remain in power along with the UN while he gassed our troops and the Kurds during the Gulf War. Guess those mass graves over there mean nothing to you though right?!!
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#26 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:22 pm

Intelligence failure? Blame that on Clinton once again. He handcuffed the CIA and the FBI to the point to where they were not sharing info.
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#27 Postby Anonymous » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:23 pm

Lindaloo wrote:Actually it was 8 months not 9.

Typo corrected. And really of no relevance.

And I am not selective nor do I dissect posts.

I was talking about the Rush Limbaugh matter.
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#28 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:24 pm

It is relevant since you are debating the Sept. 11th attacks and the Bush ads. It is very relevant.
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#29 Postby southerngale » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:25 pm

So Rush said people who do drugs should be accused.....and your point???

He got help. So, you're saying if he used drugs illegally, that everything else he has ever said or done is now right-wing rambling. okkkkk :roll:

Btw brettjrob, Bush was in office less than 8 months before the 9/11 attacks, not 18 months. And yes, Clinton had every opportunity to fight terrorism and did nothing. After each attack, Clinton vowed to hunt down those responsible and punish them. He didn't! After 9/11, Bush vowed to hunt down those responsible and punish them. That's exactly what he's doing! Wow, a man of his word!! What a terrible trait for a president. :roll:
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#30 Postby Anonymous » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:34 pm

southerngale wrote:So Rush said people who do drugs should be accused.....and your point???

He got help. So, you're saying if he used drugs illegally, that everything else he has ever said or done is now right-wing rambling. okkkkk :roll:

What I'm saying is that his hypocrisy is nauseating, and apparently feels he is above the law and the "morals" he so strongly advocates. Anyone who does not see the hypocrisy in this case is blinded by political bias. I may have been a little too extreme in saying nothing he says should be given any credibility, but I think his opinions should be taken with several grains of salt after this outrageous display of double-standards.

Btw brettjrob, Bush was in office less than 8 months before the 9/11 attacks, not 18 months.

Yep, as I said before, a really stupid mistake on my part.

And yes, Clinton had every opportunity to fight terrorism and did nothing. After each attack, Clinton vowed to hunt down those responsible and punish them. He didn't! After 9/11, Bush vowed to hunt down those responsible and punish them. That's exactly what he's doing! Wow, a man of his word!! What a terrible trait for a president. :roll:

Let me be clear... I don't have anywhere near enough information to validate or invalidate the claim that the September 11 terrorist attacks were a direct result of Clinton's inaction, but I doubt any of you have enough to make the claim either.

Al Qaeda is obviously a complex terrorist organization that operates underground and uses every nasty trick they can think of to plan their attacks. To say that you have confidence that they would not have carried out a major airline hijacking event sometime around September 2001 had a Republican been in office throughout the 1990's --- EVEN if you believe that President would have attempted to take more action against bin Laden following the 1993 WTC bombing --- is pretty presumptuous. You can say that you suspect a Republican would have handled the situation better, but to directly place the blame on Clinton for that attack -- and thus 3000 lost lives -- is terrible IMO.
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#31 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:39 pm

My goodness, the obvious is the obvious. What more do you need?
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#32 Postby Anonymous » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:41 pm

Lindaloo wrote:My goodness, the obvious is the obvious.

Yeah... one would think so...
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#33 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:45 pm

You need to read up on this before you offer anything brett

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/Ldotvets/Bubba_96.html

Bill Clinton viewed WTC Bombing as a crime not a terrorist threat!!
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#34 Postby southerngale » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:45 pm

Actually, show me where I directly placed the blame on Clinton for 9/11. I said that Bush is doing what he said......hunting down and punishing the terrorists of 9/11.

Clinton didn't do what he said. Maybe if he had, he would have crippled Al-qaeda enough that 9/11 wouldn't have occurred. There's no way to know that for sure, but he dang sure didn't do anything about the terrorist attacks under his watch. Yes, I blame him for that.

And no, I don't see the hypocrisy with Rush. He made a mistake and he's admitted it. Nowhere has he said he's above the law. I'm sure he does have a certain set of morals and maybe he failed them. He's only human and I have no right to judge him for that. I have a certain set of morals that I like to follow, but I don't always. I make mistakes and learn from them. Seems to me that if you didn't like Rush to begin with, you're using this to try and attack him. Everyone makes mistakes. Remember that!
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#35 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:48 pm

With the FBI concentrating on domestic terrorists, on Bill Clintons orders, foreign terrorists had a hay-day.
They were free to blow up and kill not only abroad, but right here in America, knowing they would suffer no
consequences for their actions. Apparently, foreign terrorists who kill in the name of their religious beliefs are
"freedom fighters" but domestic ones are terrorists.

Clinton has given speeches actually defending Islamic terrorists such as bin Laden. He said bin Laden and
his followers “are good, they are uncompromising.” He continues to preach that the terrorists are suffering from
“economic deprivation”, ignoring the fact that bin Laden is probably a billionaire. He also says, “We should
reduce the pool of potential terrorists by showing people that we will not claim for ourselves what we would deny
to them.”

What exactly are we denying them? Freedom? No, their own governments do that for the most part.
Religious freedom? No, we don’t do that either, but any Christian in a Muslim county runs the risk of imprisonment and even death. Financial security? Most of the 9/11 attackers came from one of the richest Arab countries in the world, Saudi Arabia.
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#36 Postby Anonymous » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:51 pm

southerngale wrote:Actually, show me where I directly placed the blame on Clinton for 9/11. I said that Bush is doing what he said......hunting down and punishing the terrorists of 9/11.

True... but I've certainly heard the mentioned argument made from conservatives in the past. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

And no, I don't see the hypocrisy with Rush. He made a mistake and he's admitted it. Nowhere has he said he's above the law. I'm sure he does have a certain set of morals and maybe he failed them. He's only human and I have no right to judge him for that. I have a certain set of morals that I like to follow, but I don't always. I make mistakes and learn from them. Seems to me that if you didn't like Rush to begin with, you're using this to try and attack him. Everyone makes mistakes. Remember that!

How many times do I have to say it? It isn't the mere fact that he violated his morals or made a mistake, it's that all the while he's been a right-winger who wants to see everyone else who does those things punished to the maximum extent of the law. Simple logic for anyone capable of rational thought and without a monsterous ego: you do NOT go spouting off about how you want drug users to get as many years in jail as possible while simultaneously arranging for illegal distribution of painkillers. That is the point... not the fact that he made a mistake... but the fact that he has been merciless in his judgement of others who make mistakes, and trying to cover up his own.
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#37 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:51 pm

I can only hope that the investigations into the 9/11 brings out Bill Clinton’s involvement in it all. That the American People will see it. That the evidence concerning the Oklahoma Bombing and TWA 800 will be re-examined. That he will have to answer WHY he let bin Laden and others go free to plan the mass murder committed on 9/11. Why he indoctrinated our military to look at people like bin Laden as “freedom fighters” and not the terrorists they are. Why he looked at the first WTC bombing as a mere “crime” and not a terrorist act. Why he diverted our investigative resources to domestic terror and away from foreign. That they will finally and at last get a glimpse into the world and mind of Bill Clinton.
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#38 Postby southerngale » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:56 pm

Ok then brettjrob, find me where he has said that if he's found guilty, he should not be punished because he is above the law.
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#39 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:56 pm

How many times does southerngale have to say it?!! You bring up the same moot point on the issue.
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#40 Postby Stephanie » Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:31 pm

Lindaloo wrote:Intelligence failure? Blame that on Clinton once again. He handcuffed the CIA and the FBI to the point to where they were not sharing info.


My comment on that is then why does President Bush keep George Tenet?
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