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If the election were held today, who would you vote for?

President George W. Bush (R)
28
56%
John Kerry (D)
13
26%
Ralph Nader (I)
0
No votes
Whoever runs as Liberterian
2
4%
Undecided
6
12%
I won't vote. I don't want a say in the future of America.
1
2%
 
Total votes: 50

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#101 Postby smiley » Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:39 pm

Well now that I have been embarrassed and labeled a troll, I will try AGAIN.


SG,
You must not have read what I said. My vote (or lack thereof) represents a vote of "no confidence." It's a term used by official bodies, I know this, because I sit on my college governing council. If you do not agree or believe in something, you abstain from the vote. Does it mean you do not care about it? No, of course not! I do not believe in a bipartisan race, where any small voice goes unheard! It is not the voter's fault, it is the system. I do not agree with the system. Therefore I will not take part in it! So don't tell ME that I don't have a right to complain because I don't vote. Such trite blanket statements do not work, at least not with me!
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#102 Postby Guest » Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:45 pm

smiley wrote:Well now that I have been embarrassed and labeled a troll, I will try AGAIN.


SG,
You must not have read what I said. My vote (or lack thereof) represents a vote of "no confidence." It's a term used by official bodies, I know this, because I sit on my college governing council. If you do not agree or believe in something, you abstain from the vote. Does it mean you do not care about it? No, of course not! I do not believe in a bipartisan race, where any small voice goes unheard! It is not the voter's fault, it is the system. I do not agree with the system. Therefore I will not take part in it! So don't tell ME that I don't have a right to complain because I don't vote. Such trite blanket statements do not work, at least not with me!



Why didnt you say this the first time you replied instead of going into attack mode and name calling?????
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#103 Postby smiley » Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:47 pm

This is what I posted the second time, and this was deleted. I have already apologized for what I said the first time! I have recieved my warning, and I am not debating whether I deserved that or not! It's past.
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#104 Postby Guest » Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:56 pm

smiley wrote:This is what I posted the second time, and this was deleted. I have already apologized for what I said the first time! I have recieved my warning, and I am not debating whether I deserved that or not! It's past.



Umm dont forget the personal attacks as well which was with your second reply! ;) So dont even try bending the truth here! Yes i seen it as well.

Now we can leave that in the past. Just wanna make sure everyone here knows exactly what went on!
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#105 Postby GalvestonDuck » Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:59 pm

smiley wrote:Well now that I have been embarrassed and labeled a troll, I will try AGAIN.


SG,
You must not have read what I said. My vote (or lack thereof) represents a vote of "no confidence." It's a term used by official bodies, I know this, because I sit on my college governing council. If you do not agree or believe in something, you abstain from the vote. Does it mean you do not care about it? No, of course not! I do not believe in a bipartisan race, where any small voice goes unheard! It is not the voter's fault, it is the system. I do not agree with the system. Therefore I will not take part in it! So don't tell ME that I don't have a right to complain because I don't vote. Such trite blanket statements do not work, at least not with me!


*rises and asks--*

Point of parliamentary procedure?

Not voting or abstaining is not the same as a vote of no confidence. A motion of no confidence has to be made and then, if the motion carries, it is voted upon. It is rarely used in a two-party system like what we have here in the states. Great Britain and Germany's parliaments have used it in the past. For example, in Germany, a vote of no confidence is used to remove a Chancellor from office only if a successor is chosen at the same time.
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#106 Postby smiley » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:04 pm

king of weather wrote:
smiley wrote:This is what I posted the second time, and this was deleted. I have already apologized for what I said the first time! I have recieved my warning, and I am not debating whether I deserved that or not! It's past.



Umm dont forget the personal attacks as well which was with your second reply! ;) So dont even try bending the truth here! Yes i seen it as well.

Now we can leave that in the past. Just wanna make sure everyone here knows exactly what went on!


Yeah well just so everyone knows, I didn't flame the second time, and I don't know what you're talking about Weatherking
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#107 Postby smiley » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:07 pm

GalvestonDuck wrote:
smiley wrote:Well now that I have been embarrassed and labeled a troll, I will try AGAIN.


SG,
You must not have read what I said. My vote (or lack thereof) represents a vote of "no confidence." It's a term used by official bodies, I know this, because I sit on my college governing council. If you do not agree or believe in something, you abstain from the vote. Does it mean you do not care about it? No, of course not! I do not believe in a bipartisan race, where any small voice goes unheard! It is not the voter's fault, it is the system. I do not agree with the system. Therefore I will not take part in it! So don't tell ME that I don't have a right to complain because I don't vote. Such trite blanket statements do not work, at least not with me!


*rises and asks--*

Point of parliamentary procedure?

Not voting or abstaining is not the same as a vote of no confidence. A motion of no confidence has to be made and then, if the motion carries, it is voted upon. It is rarely used in a two-party system like what we have here in the states. Great Britain and Germany's parliaments have used it in the past. For example, in Germany, a vote of no confidence is used to remove a Chancellor from office only if a successor is chosen at the same time.



*Point of information*

By abstaining, I am casting a vote of no confidence, as that is not an option on the ballot, is it?

Anyhow, good to see someone well versed in Robert's Rules 8-)
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#108 Postby GalvestonDuck » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:13 pm

smiley wrote:*Point of information*

By abstaining, I am casting a vote of no confidence, as that is not an option on the ballot, is it?

Anyhow, good to see someone well versed in Robert's Rules 8-)


I'll give you that -- that it's not on the ballot (I assume you mean the S2K poll). :)

However, my point was that if a true motion of no confidence were in order, you'd have to vote in order for it to pass. By abstaining, the majority would most likely win because your vote would not have counted one way or the other.

But I get what you're getting at also. :)

Thanks! :) I was in a couple of mock government assemblies in school -- one was a mock UN assembly and the other was based on the Commonwealth's governmental assemblies.
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#109 Postby Guest » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:19 pm

smiley wrote:
king of weather wrote:
smiley wrote:This is what I posted the second time, and this was deleted. I have already apologized for what I said the first time! I have recieved my warning, and I am not debating whether I deserved that or not! It's past.



Umm dont forget the personal attacks as well which was with your second reply! ;) So dont even try bending the truth here! Yes i seen it as well.

Now we can leave that in the past. Just wanna make sure everyone here knows exactly what went on!


Yeah well just so everyone knows, I didn't flame the second time, and I don't know what you're talking about Weatherking


Want me to post it?????
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#110 Postby smiley » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:44 pm

Please.
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#111 Postby Guest » Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:13 pm

Well lets see here

The short version.

You make the comment about (southerngale) her shades(I wont say any further because that was a very rude attack), then you make a comment about s2k itself???Then the comment about someone abusing the delete button?????

Want me to continue?????
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#112 Postby smiley » Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:24 pm

You haven't shed any light. I ALREADY acknowledged being rude to her, it was the second post that did not need to be deleted. Why do you continue to bring up the 1st post? And you know what? If you delete things without reasoning or a PM and then take subliminal cheap shots, you DO abuse your power.
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#113 Postby chadtm80 » Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:07 pm

Look your posts were deleted and for good cuase.. We will not discuss this here anymore in the open forum.. You break the rules your post gets deleted.. You think its for any other reason then that, then I dont know what to say.. You have a problem with any of the staff members here then you need to contact mf_dolphin or myself directly..
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#114 Postby JQ Public » Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:34 am

Sigh...i think we need to get back on topic...the SOONER the BETTER! As for me...i didn't know what went on so its a little easier for me to forgive and forget smiley. So lets let it go and start anew? How's that?
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