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#41 Postby Anonymous » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:50 pm

Lindaloo wrote:What no one has mentioned here yet is the fact the Pakistanis are helping in the war on terror. To me this is a major break through that they are doing this!!! Muslim against Muslim. My hats are off to the Pakistani troops and prayers going out to those killed in this.


You're exactly right Lindaloo. Pakistan has always been an ally in the war against terror. But their level of cooperation has increased. There are some good reasons why they're stepping up too. For ex., Musharraf has almost been assassinated three times by terrorists. Pakistan is also trying to clean it's image after being deeply involved in the nuclear weapons black market.
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#42 Postby Anonymous » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:50 pm

jason0509 wrote:Cancel the election, boys. George W. Bush just won 500 out of the 535 electoral votes.

Unfortunately you may be right, but let's give the American people a little more credit in the mean time than to assume that events completely unrelated to the President will sway things one way or another.
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#43 Postby southerngale » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:54 pm

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jason0509 wrote:Cancel the election, boys. George W. Bush just won 500 out of the 535 electoral votes.

Unfortunately you may be right, but let's give the American people a little more credit in the mean time than to assume that events completely unrelated to the President will sway things one way or another.

Completely unrelated to the President? lol
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#44 Postby Anonymous » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:58 pm

southerngale wrote:
brettjrob wrote:
jason0509 wrote:Cancel the election, boys. George W. Bush just won 500 out of the 535 electoral votes.

Unfortunately you may be right, but let's give the American people a little more credit in the mean time than to assume that events completely unrelated to the President will sway things one way or another.

Completely unrelated to the President? lol

Absolutely. The fact that Bush ordered troops to Afghanistan is something that should be considered when choosing your guy for President. But the success of operations to capture the Al-Q leaders is completely independent of his decisions; Bush's decisions were the same regardless of whether or not Bin Laden or #2 are captured come November.

If the #2 is indeed captured, it is 100% due to the success of military operations in Pakistan and 0% due to any positive action by Bush. He may have initiated the process, but its success has nothing to do with him, and therefore should have no effect on the election (ideally).
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#45 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:27 pm

brettjrob wrote:

Absolutely. The fact that Bush ordered troops to Afghanistan is something that should be considered when choosing your guy for President. But the success of operations to capture the Al-Q leaders is completely independent of his decisions; Bush's decisions were the same regardless of whether or not Bin Laden or #2 are captured come November.

If the #2 is indeed captured, it is 100% due to the success of military operations in Pakistan and 0% due to any positive action by Bush. He may have initiated the process, but its success has nothing to do with him, and therefore should have no effect on the election (ideally).[/quote]

:break: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

:vote: :vote: :vote: :vote: :vote:
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#46 Postby mf_dolphin » Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:21 pm

[quote="brettjrob]Absolutely. The fact that Bush ordered troops to Afghanistan is something that should be considered when choosing your guy for President. But the success of operations to capture the Al-Q leaders is completely independent of his decisions; Bush's decisions were the same regardless of whether or not Bin Laden or #2 are captured come November.

If the #2 is indeed captured, it is 100% due to the success of military operations in Pakistan and 0% due to any positive action by Bush. He may have initiated the process, but its success has nothing to do with him, and therefore should have no effect on the election (ideally).[/quote]

Sorry Brett but that is totally off-base. Why do you refuse to admit that it's because of President Bush's committment to the war on terror that we're achieving results? The President of the United States is the Commander in Chief. What is happening in Afganistan is directly related to the decisions and the backbone of our President. Those on the ground in US uniforms know that! They showed what they thought of their Commander on Thanksgiving.

The actions by Pakistan are also the direct result of diplomatic pressure and yes money funneled into Pakistan to encourage their active participation in the war on terror.
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#47 Postby Anonymous » Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:54 pm

mf_dolphin wrote:Sorry Brett but that is totally off-base. Why do you refuse to admit that it's because of President Bush's committment to the war on terror that we're achieving results? The President of the United States is the Commander in Chief. What is happening in Afganistan is directly related to the decisions and the backbone of our President. Those on the ground in US uniforms know that! They showed what they thought of their Commander on Thanksgiving.

The actions by Pakistan are also the direct result of diplomatic pressure and yes money funneled into Pakistan to encourage their active participation in the war on terror.

All I am saying is that regardless of what you think of the President's general decisions on the War on Terror, the specifics such as this potential capturing of an Al Qaeda leader should not sway people's vote. If you agree with the way the war is being carried out, good, vote for Bush. But for someone who may be on the fence to switch their vote to Bush simply because an AQ leader happened to be captured is moronic because the President's general policy/plan is the same independent of who is and isn't captured. BTW, on the same premise, I'd say it's just as dumb if someone who is currently supportive of Bush and his policies decides to vote for Kerry in November because bin Laden has NOT been captured.
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#48 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:22 pm

That is way off base too. People have not forgotten Sept. 11th and why we are fighting this war. I highly doubt that those on the fence are waiting to see if we catch OBL or if there are any on the fence anyway. Bush committed himself to the war on terrorism and we have not been attacked again. I guess you think that Pakistan did this because they wanted to? I guess you think Iran buckled and gave up their WMD program because they wanted to? THINK AGAIN!! GO BUSH!!
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#49 Postby Anonymous » Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:14 am

Task Force 121 may have found Zawahairi's body....DNA testing is being done ATTM.
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#50 Postby Anonymous » Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:18 am

More news coming from the area.....


Afghan Aviation Minister Assassinated in Western City



KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - Afghan aviation minister Mirwais Sadiq was assassinated Sunday in the western city of Herat, a government spokesman said.
Unidentified assailants shot Sadiq in his car in Afghanistan's main western city, presidential spokesman Khaleeq Ahmed said. He had no immediate details.

Afghan state television reported that Sadiq's father, Herat governor Ismail Khan, escaped a separate attack unhurt. But Ahmed gave a conflicting account, saying Khan had not come under attack.

Authorities were still trying to determine what had happened, the spokesman said. The defense and interior ministers were preparing to travel to Herat to investigate.

State TV said Herat's police and intelligence chiefs were also attacked, but gave no details.

Troops loyal to Khan reportedly surrounded the home of senior military commander Zaher Khan and a militia barracks in the city. Fighting broke out in several places, with several killed and injured, state TV said.

Aid workers in the city contacted by telephone reported shots ringing out Sunday evening and said they had been ordered to hunker down.

Ismail Khan, a former anti-Soviet resistance commander who runs a large private army, has had firm control over Herat since the fall of the Taliban in late 2001. But there have been persistent tensions and occasional factional fighting between his men and those loyal to rival warlords.

Sadiq is the third leading figure - and the second aviation minister - from interim President Hamid Karzai's administration to be assassinated.

Karzai's first civil aviation minister, Abdul Rahman, was assassinated Feb. 14, 2002, at Kabul's airport, in circumstances that remain unclear. Gunmen shot and killed Vice President Abdul Qadir in the capital on July 6, 2002.

Both of those killings remain unsolved.
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#51 Postby mf_dolphin » Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:22 am

TropicalWxWatcher wrote:Task Force 121 may have found Zawahairi's body....DNA testing is being done ATTM.


Where did you see this? I've had the news on all morning and haven't seen a peep about this....

EDIT....nevermind. Just saw it on FoxNews :-)
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#52 Postby Anonymous » Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:34 am

I turned on the TV and one of FNC's terror experts said that all of his info was based on sources on the ground. I just checked my net sources and haven't found anything. The US is denying it, but it would make perfect sense for them to do so at this time. If this report is true, we should hear more about it later today or tomorrow I would assume.
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#53 Postby stormraiser » Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:20 pm

Wow. Let's hope it's him. Man that would be a great turnaround in this whole mess. Then it's on to OBL :blowup:
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#54 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:42 pm

He is dead?!! I was hoping they would take him alive so possibly he could lead us to Bin Laden. :(
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#55 Postby mf_dolphin » Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:53 pm

Mixed stories are to be expected. We'll just have to wait and see. One story I heard is that if it is him, we need to find a way to give Pakistan credit...
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#56 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:55 pm

I think Pakistan should get the credit. I believe it is excellent that they have joined us in fighting terrorism. Big PLUS IMO.
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