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Violence Strikes Iraq's Sunni Triangle

Wednesday, March 31, 2004

FALLUJAH, Iraq — The corpses of four coalition contractors, all Americans, were pulled out of their cars, dragged through the streets and hung from a bridge Wednesday by rejoicing Fallujah residents while five U.S. troops died in a nearby separate bombing.



Chanting "Fallujah is the graveyard of Americans," residents cheered after the grisly assault on two four-wheel-drive civilian vehicles, which left both in flames. Others chanted, "We sacrifice our blood and souls for Islam."

The four contract workers were killed in a rebel ambush of their SUVs in Fallujah, a Sunni Triangle (search) city about 35 miles west of Baghdad.

State Department officials told Fox News that all four contractors were Americans.

The State Department is contacting the families of the victims. All four were men, said Sgt. 1st Class Lorraine Hill, a coalition spokeswoman.

Support for Saddam Hussein has been strong in the area, and rebels often carry out attacks against American forces.

"It is not surprising that they are engaging in attacks as we increasingly make progress ... their strategic goal is to turn back the progress," Dan Senor, a spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, told reporters Wednesday.

"Those aren't people we're interested in helping, those are people we have to capture or kill so this country can move forward."

In a separate incident in Malahma, 12 miles to the northwest of Fallujah, five 1st Infantry Division soldiers died when their M-113 armored personnel carrier ran over a bomb.

Also in Ramadi, a roadside bomb exploded near a U.S. convoy, witnesses said. U.S. officials in Baghdad could not confirm the attack.

On Tuesday in Ramadi, one U.S. soldier was killed and another wounded in a roadside bombing, said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt.

"We condemn these attacks in strongest possible terms," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters in Washington Wednesday. "We mourn the loss of life."

"Iraqis are realizing freedom is on its way. As we move forward, obviously there will be those who want to stop the progress but there's no turning back," McClellan continued.

Another 'Black Hawk Down?'
The brutal treatment of the four contractors was the scene of some of the worst violence since the beginning of the American occupation a year ago.

It was reminiscent of the 1993 scene in Somalia, where a mob dragged the corpse of a U.S. soldier through the streets of Mogadishu (search), eventually leading to the American withdrawal from the African nation.

Associated Press Television News pictures showed one man beating a charred corpse with a metal pole. Others tied a yellow rope to a body, hooked it to a car and dragged it down the main street of town. Two blackened and mangled corpses were hung from a green iron bridge across the Euphrates.

"The people of Fallujah hanged some of the bodies on the old bridge like slaughtered sheep," resident Abdul Aziz Mohammed said. Some of the corpses were dismembered, he said.

Beneath the bodies, a man held a printed sign with a skull and crossbones and the phrase "Fallujah is the cemetery for Americans."

"If you think of a gangster mentality, that is exactly how Iraq was ruled for the past 35 years. It was only recently that efforts have been made to free the country," said retired Navy Capt. Chuck Nash, calling former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein "the Al Capone of the 21st century."

"These people have the most to lose in a free Iraq because they have the most to gain under the gangsters," Nash said of the attackers in Fallujah. But "what we can't do is to ease off at this point. These people cannot gain from this activity."

APTN showed the charred remains of three slain men. Some were wearing flak jackets, said resident Safa Mohammedi.

One resident displayed what appeared to be dog tags taken from one body. Residents also said there were weapons in the targeted cars. APTN showed one American passport near a body and a U.S. Department of Defense identification card belonging to another man.

"Most of the people in Fallujah want to move on with their lives ... want to be part of a new Iraq. There's a small part of Fallujah that just doesn't get it," Kimmitt told reporters in Baghdad Wednesday.

"They [attackers] have a view somehow that the harder they fight, the better chance they have" at restoring some of the pro-Saddam movement, Kimmitt continued.

Witnesses said the two SUVs were attacked with small-arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades.

Hours after the attack, the city was quiet. No U.S. troops or Iraqi police were seen in the area.

"It's a horrifying site … it's brutal and terrible and reminds you of 'Black Hawk Down,'" retired Army Maj. Gen. Donald Edwards told Fox News, referring to the book and movie depicting the Mogadishu disaster. "I think it's a harsh reality that these people are very unpleasant people … It's an area that's going to be a problem, I'm afraid, for a long time to come."

Asked whether the recent attacks will cause U.S. military servicemen and women to question their mission, Edwards said: "This will only strengthen their resolution. They're not going to quit."

Sporadic Violence Elsewhere in Iraq

In nearby Ramadi (search), insurgents threw a grenade at a government building and Iraqi security forces returned fire Wednesday, witnesses said. It was not clear if there were casualties.

Northeast of Baghdad Wednesday, in the city of Baqouba, a suicide bomber blew up explosives in his car when he was near a convoy of government vehicles, wounding 14 Iraqis and killing himself, officials said.

The attacked convoy is normally used to transport the Diala provincial governor, Abdullah al-Joubori, but he was elsewhere at the time, said police Col. Ali Hossein.

On Tuesday, a suicide bombing outside the house of a police chief in Hillah, about 60 miles south of Baghdad, killed the attacker and wounded seven others.

A bomb exploded late Tuesday in a movie theater that had closed for the night. Two bystanders were wounded by flying glass, said its owner, Ghani Mohammed.

The latest violence came two days after Carina Perelli, the head of a U.N. electoral team, said better security is vital if Iraq wants to hold elections by a Jan. 31 deadline. The polls are scheduled to follow a June 30 transfer of sovereignty to an Iraqi government.

Top U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer said Tuesday he had appointed 21 anti-corruption inspectors general to government departments to try to prevent fraud. More will be named in coming days, he said.

The inspectors will work with two other newly formed, independent agencies. Together, they will "form an integrated approach intended to combat corruption at every level of government across the country," Bremer said.

[Stephanie]

That is so horrible! We need to do the samething to them once we catch them!

[sunnyday]

For the millionth time, will it never end?

[streetsoldier]

We could take a page from General Pershing's playbook...

When the Moros (Muslims) revolted in the Philippine Insurrection in 1900, Pershing captured 50 of them. He had 50 stakes put up, had each Moro dig a grave-sized hole in front of a stake, and then tied the men to the stakes.

Then, American soldiers brought 50 pigs to the holes, slaughtered the pigs, and shoved the blood and carcasses into the pits. (FYI, Muslims can't TOUCH any part of a pig, fearing loss of Paradise,)

He then ordered his troops to shoot 49 of the insurrectionists, one at a time, and dropped their bodies in the swine-filled holes...but stopped at the 50th man, who was untied and told to tell the other Moros what he saw...

There wasn't another peep of rebellion in the Philippines for 46 years afterwards.

[stormraiser]

Yes, Bill, but nowadays, this would enrage them all the more. And with communications 1.2 Billion Muslims would be knocking at our doors

[Stephanie]

For the millionth time, will it never end?

Probably not...

[Derek Ortt]

<i>We could take a page from General Pershing's playbook...

When the Moros (Muslims) revolted in the Philippine Insurrection in 1900, Pershing captured 50 of them. He had 50 stakes put up, had each Moro dig a grave-sized hole in front of a stake, and then tied the men to the stakes.

Then, American soldiers brought 50 pigs to the holes, slaughtered the pigs, and shoved the blood and carcasses into the pits. (FYI, Muslims can't TOUCH any part of a pig, fearing loss of Paradise,)

He then ordered his troops to shoot 49 of the insurrectionists, one at a time, and dropped their bodies in the swine-filled holes...but stopped at the 50th man, who was untied and told to tell the other Moros what he saw...

There wasn't another peep of rebellion in the Philippines for 46 years afterwards.</i>

Sadly, we are to PC to do the right thing and do whatever it takes to stop this these days

[mf_dolphin]

We do need to do a massive sweep of the area. The people who commit these atrocities only understand the rule of power. Lock down the area and then go house to house until we find them and their weapons.

[azskyman]

Pacifists would say this is happening because we have invaded their country and ought to come back home. Reality is, these people only know about oppression and pain and punishment since that is the world as they know it under Saddam. As painful as it is for us to do this, our Marines, and the new Iraqi Army and police, must make examples of those who committed these crimes. Without speaking and behaving in the terms these people will understand, such atrocities will be commonplace. Sad that we must resort to that...but it is true. Our Marines will do exactly that if asked to...I'm sure of it. And for all the right reasons, too. Sad, yes. Necessary, you bet!

[Stephanie]

Pacifists would say this is happening because we have invaded their country and ought to come back home. Reality is, these people only know about oppression and pain and punishment since that is the world as they know it under Saddam. As painful as it is for us to do this, our Marines, and the new Iraqi Army and police, must make examples of those who committed these crimes. Without speaking and behaving in the terms these people will understand, such atrocities will be commonplace. Sad that we must resort to that...but it is true. Our Marines will do exactly that if asked to...I'm sure of it. And for all the right reasons, too. Sad, yes. Necessary, you bet!

I most certainly agree!

I was kind of shell-shocked this morning when I open the Philadelphia Inquirer and on the front page they had a picture of the charred remains of two of the victims hanging from the bridge. I thought that they went alittle overboard with that, but then again, it may help arouse the anger in the American people more.

[GalvestonDuck]

<i>We could take a page from General Pershing's playbook...

When the Moros (Muslims) revolted in the Philippine Insurrection in 1900, Pershing captured 50 of them. He had 50 stakes put up, had each Moro dig a grave-sized hole in front of a stake, and then tied the men to the stakes.

Then, American soldiers brought 50 pigs to the holes, slaughtered the pigs, and shoved the blood and carcasses into the pits. (FYI, Muslims can't TOUCH any part of a pig, fearing loss of Paradise,)

He then ordered his troops to shoot 49 of the insurrectionists, one at a time, and dropped their bodies in the swine-filled holes...but stopped at the 50th man, who was untied and told to tell the other Moros what he saw...

There wasn't another peep of rebellion in the Philippines for 46 years afterwards.</i>

Sadly, we are to PC to do the right thing and do whatever it takes to stop this these days

Happy April Fool's Day! You've been snopes'd.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm

(Read this one some time ago...it's still "undetermined" so neither true, nor false. Just makes for more interesting reading on the subject. )

[GalvestonDuck]

Pacifists would say this is happening because we have invaded their country and ought to come back home. Reality is, these people only know about oppression and pain and punishment since that is the world as they know it under Saddam. As painful as it is for us to do this, our Marines, and the new Iraqi Army and police, must make examples of those who committed these crimes. Without speaking and behaving in the terms these people will understand, such atrocities will be commonplace. Sad that we must resort to that...but it is true. Our Marines will do exactly that if asked to...I'm sure of it. And for all the right reasons, too. Sad, yes. Necessary, you bet!

I most certainly agree!

I was kind of shell-shocked this morning when I open the Philadelphia Inquirer and on the front page they had a picture of the charred remains of two of the victims hanging from the bridge. I thought that they went alittle overboard with that, but then again, it may help arouse the anger in the American people more.

They were talking about that on the radio this morning but I hadn't seen the picture. Just went to the Philly Inquirer website and it's there. Geez..what monsters!

[streetsoldier]

Strangely, although it's "unconfirmed", the incident was included in a book about General John "Black Jack" Pershing I read when I was in 3rd grade...

(...and that's more years ago than I care to enumerate...)

[Stephanie]

Strangely, although it's "unconfirmed", the incident was included in a book about General John "Black Jack" Pershing I read when I was in 3rd grade...

(...and that's more years ago than I care to enumerate...)

There's probably some truth in that story though Bill.

[streetsoldier]

This is an example of the quandary we're in; the terrorists observe no laws, international or otherwise; they feed on wanton acts of murder and destruction, YET...if we go after them, in their own "coin" (which, as mentioned, is the only thing an Arab mentality respects), the international community comes down hard on US as "perpetrators", while ignoring the terrorist activity which brought this about.

As for the fate of Fallujah, we should give the inhabitants 24 hours to evacuate, then hit the place with everything we have, thus reducing it to a distant memory...and all the arms and munitions it is harboring.

A quote from Guy Fawkes (1605, "Gunpowder Plot") works well here...

"Desperate disease requires desperate remedy."

[GalvestonDuck]

[Stephanie]

I agree Bill - I like Duck's avatar!