Bush's Mistakes in Iraq keep Piling up!

[GalvestonDuck]

Tenet should be FIRED but we all know that even when 3000 dead Americans the Bushies never fire anyone.

Maybe "Tenet should be FIRED but we all know that even when THERE ARE 3000 dead Americans the Bushies never fire anyone."

You're just having an awful time with "there are" today, aren't you, DT?

[Lindaloo]

George Tenet is a CLOSE CLOSE FRIEND OF BUSH.

that means the GW Bush the republican.

Tenet should be FIRED but we all know that even when 3000 dead Americans the Bushies never fire anyone.

To do so would mean there is accountability. That is the last thing the Bushies are.

The CIA? oh yeah, I have great faith in them. Can we say 9/11 and their intelligence failure? Oh, I guess you like Tenet right DT?

Can we say double standard? You need to read up on Tenet under the Clinton Administration. Although, I do agree with you that Tenet needs to go, PERIOD!

[rainstorm]

sorry, the liberal media does want us to lose. liberals blame america first, and if kerry is president, we will be forever defeated. there is no point in worrying about tenet. kerry and his liberal buds destroyed the cia long before tenet took over.
the dems made sure the cia was eviscerated, so even allen dulles could have done no good.

[mf_dolphin]

My only comment Marshall on the Vietnam comparison is that we DID go the long haul and we still had to pull out. I just hope we didn't underestimate the the whole situation in Iraq.

Respectfully I couldn't disagree more. We spent the time but we were not committed to winning the war. North Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia were for the most part off-limits. Who ever heard of fighting a war when you couldn't attack your enemies strongholds? The problem in Vietnam was not with the soldiers but with the politicians. We committed troops but handcuffed them in how they could fight the war.

[rainstorm]

same thing happening now, mf. we have to be offensive in the war, not defensive. syria and iran are funding the militants. syria gets its oil from iraq.
simple. turn off the spigot till syria sees the light, plus go in with special forces and kill everyone in one of the terror training camps in syria, then get out. also, we need to take out the iranian nuclear plant, now!!
can you imagine if israel hadnt had the guts to take out saddams nuclear plant in the 80's? we need to tell iran to quit funding terror, or we will take out their economy one piece at a time

[Stephanie]

Lindaloo and I have discussed Tenet also - I agree that he should be fired. I don't understand why he is being kept on by this Administration if he's failed MULTIPLE administrations.

[coriolis]

Funny you should mention Vietnam. I was listening to a report tonight that the viet cong were on the ropes after the TET offensive and that they could have been defeated, had we given the commanders on the ground the freedom to pursue the war to win. This was revealed by a retired North Vietnamese general. He also reported that the anti-war movement in america was a huge help to the North Vietnamese. I wasn't old enough at the time to really follow things, but I'm just reporting what I'm hearing.

Looking back at DT's posts at the beginning. Is it anti war, or criticism of how the war's being prosecuted? There's a difference. I think that our commanders have to have every resource and every opportunity to take it to the bad guys and win the war. We are close now and now would be the worst time to chicken out.

[rainstorm]

victory and liberalism doesnt go together, coriolis

[Guest]

I am not disagreeing !!! TENET SHOULD BE FIRED.

the question is why wont Bush fire him?

George Tenet is a CLOSE CLOSE FRIEND OF BUSH.

that means the GW Bush the republican.

Tenet should be FIRED but we all know that even when 3000 dead Americans the Bushies never fire anyone.

To do so would mean there is accountability. That is the last thing the Bushies are.

The CIA? oh yeah, I have great faith in them. Can we say 9/11 and their intelligence failure? Oh, I guess you like Tenet right DT?

And he also worked under the Clinton Administration while the 93 WTC bombing, the 98 African Embassy bombing and the 2000 attack on the USS Cole occurred. Care to try that again?

[Guest]

Yes -=- I am sick and fighting off strep

Tenet should be FIRED but we all know that even when 3000 dead Americans the Bushies never fire anyone.

Maybe "Tenet should be FIRED but we all know that even when THERE ARE 3000 dead Americans the Bushies never fire anyone."

You're just having an awful time with "there are" today, aren't you, DT?

[mf_dolphin]

I happen to agree that Tenet should be fired. It's long long overdue IMO

[azskyman]

Coriolis...how vividly I remember the lack of support our troops had in Vietnam. News traveled much slower in 1970 without satellite Tv and cell phones...but we nevertheless felt little support for being there.

To this day I remember several events that were terribly demoralizing there. Here is one of them.

We were under attack on April 6-7, 1970. When that occurred, lights would go out and we were to report to our assigned locations for deployment to the perimeter or other locations. First, however, we had to go to the ammo dump to get our supply of M-16 clips.

On those particular nights, with incoming sniper fire and mortar rounds in our small camp of just one square mile, two guards stood outside the ammo bunker. We were told that no ammo would be given out that night.

I had been in country only 4 months...and already I was seeing the results first hand of our country's, our leader's lack of commitment to winning this war...or even protecting our fellow soldiers.

We cannot...we MUST not, approach Iraq with our hands tied behind our back. It was demoralizing that night to have no way to fight back had we been overrun. I could never support a policy in Iraq that settles for anything less than full and decisive force when needed.

It is no wonder that officers and NCO's became targets of our own troops at Camp McDermott where I spent my time. Home made bombs became commonplace at the barracks of those leaders who, now that I look back, were themselves unable to fulfill their obligations to the troops by a policy that was bound and determined to fail.

Incidentally, our company of troops stood our ground and demanded access to ammunition and from that time on...we got it when we needed it.

Officers and NCO's were more paranoid after that...and for good reason, but never again that year were we left unable to defend ourselves.

[Lindaloo]

I am not disagreeing !!! TENET SHOULD BE FIRED.

the question is why wont Bush fire him?

George Tenet is a CLOSE CLOSE FRIEND OF BUSH.

that means the GW Bush the republican.

Tenet should be FIRED but we all know that even when 3000 dead Americans the Bushies never fire anyone.

To do so would mean there is accountability. That is the last thing the Bushies are.

The CIA? oh yeah, I have great faith in them. Can we say 9/11 and their intelligence failure? Oh, I guess you like Tenet right DT?

And he also worked under the Clinton Administration while the 93 WTC bombing, the 98 African Embassy bombing and the 2000 attack on the USS Cole occurred. Care to try that again?

Well why didn't Clinton? I can't give you that answer.

[rainstorm]

the bottom line is we are winning everywhere but inside the united states. to me, the dem party is a disgrace.

[rainstorm]

of course, the best predictor of what kerry will do is ted kennedy. who has been kerrys only campaign bud? ted. no matter what kerry says, we know he is even to the left of ted, who is actively backstabbing out troops and our possibility of victory. if you want ted kennedy's economic and foreign policy, then vote for kerry.

i couldnt agree with george allen more, on the laura ingraham show:

Sen. Allen: Kennedy Outburst 'Worse Than Hanoi Jane'

Sen. George Allen, R-Va., blasted his colleague Sen. Ted Kennedy on Wednesday for calling the Iraq war "George Bush's Vietnam," saying that the outburst was worse than Jane Fonda's trip to Hanoi in 1972.

"I think it's even worse than Hanoi Jane," Allen told radio host Laura Ingraham, who had compared Kennedy's comments to visits to North Vietnam by Fonda and Ramsey Clark during the height of the war.

Allen explained that while Fonda was just an actress, Kennedy is an elected U.S. official whose name is known worldwide.

"It's harmful to our troops, it's harmful to our efforts and I think it's also harmful to us trying to get other countries to pitch in," the Virginia Republican told Ingraham.

"As a U.S. senator, Ted Kennedy should know better and understand the impact of his words," Allen said in a Tuesday Senate speech. "His outrageous, partisan remarks are harmful, not only to our courageous soldiers serving abroad, but also to their families who are praying for their safety in treacherous conditions."

Allen advised Ingraham, "You've got to play bump and run with the likes of Ted Kennedy. You just can't let them keep making these assertions without correcting them or taking them to task."

[stormchazer]

When the going gets tough, the pundits start evening quarterbacking! I respect Savage's opinion, but it is just that. I was in management for Publix, a Grocery chain in Florida and I commented many times to office cashiers:

"You get to stand back and critique my decisions, but I am the one who has to make them and deal with the ramifications."

So is it with President Bush.

[Hoosierwxdude]

Well why didn't Clinton? I can't give you that answer.

Yes Tenet should have been fired a while ago. The problem is that we go through the biggest attack ever on our soil and one of the deadliest days in overall American history...and there is Mr. Tenet STILL with a job! After 3000 dead. It's ridiculous. If the final straw didn't come under Clinton, it sure as heck came on 9/11!

[WidreMann]

I am not disagreeing !!! TENET SHOULD BE FIRED.

the question is why wont Bush fire him?

George Tenet is a CLOSE CLOSE FRIEND OF BUSH.

that means the GW Bush the republican.

Tenet should be FIRED but we all know that even when 3000 dead Americans the Bushies never fire anyone.

To do so would mean there is accountability. That is the last thing the Bushies are.

The CIA? oh yeah, I have great faith in them. Can we say 9/11 and their intelligence failure? Oh, I guess you like Tenet right DT?

And he also worked under the Clinton Administration while the 93 WTC bombing, the 98 African Embassy bombing and the 2000 attack on the USS Cole occurred. Care to try that again?

Well why didn't Clinton? I can't give you that answer.

That's a red herring. It has no bearing on whether Bush should fire him, regardless of what Clinton did. Of course this is typical logic from Lindaloo so I'm not particularly surprised.

[Lindaloo]

If you have something to add then fine Widremann. If you do not like my logic then take it to PM.

[streetsoldier]

BTW, coriolis et al, that quote was from former North Vietnamese General Nguyen Van Giap; his book is "required reading" for US Marine recruits.