Even conservative like Tuckver & G.Will says

[Guest]

Yesterday while Rumsfeld was talking through his arse (again) and saying that its Just a few shi'ites the CIA was giving a briefing to the NY Times and saying JUST the opposite....

that the shi'ites and Sunni are showing signs of finally working together... in their uprising.

Today on CNN crossfire conservatiove commentator Tucker Carlson said ..."yes there is no doubt things are flying out of control in Iraq"....

Now conservative commtator GEORGE WILL said this in his column TODAY



After last week's murder of four American civilian contractors in Fallujah, U.S. leadership in Baghdad promised that the response against that city would be "precise" and "overwhelming." But precisely who is to be overwhelmed, and what will be the metric of success at overwhelming? How many troops will it take to find those involved in the killing of the contractors? And on the basis of what intelligence?

As this is written, headlines speak of 1,200 Marines "encircling" Fallujah, which is as populous as Newark, N.J. It is a sign of things falling apart that common language seems unable to get a purchase on Iraq's new reality -- a civil war defined by the uprising of many Shiites against the U.S. occupation

For the near term, U.S. policy must flow from Napoleon's axiom: "If you start to take Vienna -- take Vienna." We started to take Iraq 13 months ago. That mission is far from accomplished.

[rainstorm]

i pay no attention to tucker. will is right. time to win the war. however none of this makes me want to vote for kerry. and back to reality, we are going to win.
one mistake we are making is mindboggling though. not one former saddam official has been executed or punished in any way. no one who has attacked us forces has been punished. why?

[Guest]

dude we are NOT winning this war.

if 1 year after Baghdad fell.... 10 major town and cities are FULLY occupied by the insurgents....

THAT IS NOT WINNING

i pay no attention to tucker. will is right. time to win the war. however none of this makes me want to vote for kerry. and back to reality, we are going to win.
one mistake we are making is mindboggling though. not one former saddam official has been executed or punished in any way. no one who has attacked us forces has been punished. why?

[Lindaloo]

We are winning this war. This is just an outburst for control by cowards that do not want them anymore and reported by the liberal biased media. It is time for another Shock and Awe.

[JSpaceman]

We are winning this war. This is just an outburst for control by cowards that do not want them anymore and reported by the liberal biased media. It is time for another Shock and Awe.

um...wow. just...wow