How to be a good Democrat:
1. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese & North Korean communists.
4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUVs.
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.
7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.
8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression, and governments create prosperity.
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.
11. You have to believe that the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.
12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.
13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E.Lee, and Thomas Edison.
15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.
16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and really a very nice person.
17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belonged in the White House.
19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese government is somehow in the best interest of the United States.
21. You have to believe that this letter is part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy.
Democrat Ethics - for your edification.
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Re: Democrat Ethics - for your edification.
Here is the post, each point followed by my response. I just felt like doing this...I know it was by and large tongue and cheek and not meant to be taken seriously. Like I said...I just wanted to.
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How to be a good Democrat:
1. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
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Haven't researched this enough to have much of an opinion...so I'll let this go
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2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
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What're you saying? The majority of teachers can teach the majority of children to read. I personally don't see anything wrong with someone teaching a kid the potential dangers of unsafe sex. There's a certain amount of inhibition when you're dealing with matters of sexuality with your parents. With many kids this then shuts them down to listening or learning...learning in class with friends from a teacher removes, for most kids, this inhibition...and then encourages jokes, which makes the lesson stick. If your concern is abstinence...that's your perogative. Most schools teach it, to a degree. I personally have no issue with this as I believe that if you arm a kid with enough knowledge to be able to decide for themselves that they will, as opposed to making rash decisions at the mercy of peer pressure if they're unsure of themselves or their beliefs.
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese & North Korean communists.
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This is blown significantly out of proportion. The liberals suggest perhaps some limitation on the ability to own guns due to a large number of people not being mentally or emotionally capable of realizing the responsibilities inherent in the ownership of firearms. This lack shows itself in increased violence...
The thing about this that makes it misleading is that this generally isn't nearly as big an issue to liberals as it may seem. The problem lies in the conservatives who react so immediately violent in response...thus making the issue seem much larger than it is.
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4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.
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Federal funding re: art is, imo, a good thing. Art in itself rarely pays off for the artist...yet the contributions made by many artists are far more reaching, emotionally, spiritually, etc than almost anything else. Because of this reason, it is pertinent, imo, to encourage and make possible the creation of art...and thus, by implication, culture...which leads to leisure activities among the citizens of a nation. It's in the nation's best interests to promote and fund art, imo. It's an investment worth making.
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5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUVs.
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The theory is that adding Co2 to the atmosphere will increase temperatures. Scientists then look around and notice that there has been rise in the level of Co2 in the atmosphere...and a similar rise in temperature. The theory is thus to find out if the cause is related to the Co2. Yes, some groups of very vocal extremists have gotten hold of this and made a huge issue of this, taking studies and drawing extreme conclusions...but the thing to realize is that a differentiation must be made between these extremists and the actual scientists working to find out what is really going on.
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6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.
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I don't believe gender roles are artificial. Neither do most liberals I know -- I've discussed this many times before with them.
I do believe Homosexuality is natural. Speaking from experience, I had homosexual tendencies long before I was even aware of what my emotions signified...namely sexual attraction. I just thought guys looked "cool" or "neat".
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7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.
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The issue isn't a contradiction. It's whether or not what is inside the woman is an actual person or not. You're making the same decision, just earlier. Most people believe it's okay to waste some sperm, to use some contraceptives. Right there you're making a similar decision or judgement.
In regards to capital punishment, I personally have strong feelings in opposition of the death penalty. I'm just fundamentally, morally, against it. I don't think it is our place to take away life from another person. I don't intend to further this with an explanation...we all have our reasons and I don't want to get into it.
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8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression, and governments create prosperity.
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Businesses do create oppression. As a society I feel we're to a degree responsible to each other. Sometimes you need a government to step in to insure this responsibility...telling businesses that these are lives they're dealing with, not just numbers you can move around and manipulate in whichever direction benefits your company. It's just part of the price for having the benefits of government. It goes both ways at times.
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9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
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Go ahead and tell that to the people who grow up in cities and long their entire lives to live in the wilderness, in Alaska or similar locations after reading books by Jack London or seeing documentaries on PBS and National Geographic. These people have just as much claim to loving nature as any fool who grew up there. My problem with hunting is that there is no true point to it. Killing for recreation? The cliche, "animals hurt, too" is true and relevant. Have you ever seen your dog or cat hurt? What's the point in bringing pain and death to an animal for no real reason? I have no issue with those in villages such as, say, Fort Yukon, or people living on their own in the wilderness...it's just when fools who have access to abundant and well priced meat in their local market who decide to go out into the woods to kill, sometimes for no greater purpose than to have a head to mount that I take issue. I think any reasonably moral person would/should if they think it through.
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10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.
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I believe that every human has limitations. Some people have to be shown that there is a reason to live...ie, be granted stability in such fundamental aspects as shelter, food and health...before they're mentally capable of going out there to make their own way.
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11. You have to believe that the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.
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I don't have any clue what you're attempting to say with this. Maybe I'm just tired...I'll look at it again tommorrow.
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12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.
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It's a question of what the constitution intended, and what is necessary in a more advanced society than was present back in the late 1700's when owning guns was necessary for many Americans due to attacks by Indians and the constant looming threat of war. I mean, our militia was a huge part of our being able to make it out on our own. Now that we have attained independence and stability, some people believe it would be a good thing to scale back and to adapt to the world we now live in, which is more assured and stable. Things are entirely different now than then and many fans of the NRA fail to realize the profound implications of this.
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13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
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I don't feel like getting into this, economics aren't my best subject and thus I don't feel at liberty to discuss them. I trust, however, the beliefs of others I've grown to trust.
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14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E.Lee, and Thomas Edison.
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This has to be sarcastic...
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15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.
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Haven't looked into this enough to understand it fully, but it does make sense to me. Cultures are different. Standards are different. The culture of the inner city has different cultural landmarks than the landmarks found in the culture of the suburbs and country. It is to this latter group that tests are biased. There is more for a person from the suburbs to personally relate to in most standardized tests than there is for a person from the inner city. It's really not that difficult a concept.
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16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and really a very nice person.
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I don't believe that at all.
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17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
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You mean communism? Personally I don't agree with communism, particularly in regards to human nature, but I do believe a form of socialism is the highest goal society can strive towards. In fact, that's what Jesus encouraged.
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18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belonged in the White House.
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This is just such a loaded and trash statement that I'm struggling to take it seriously.
I give up. You've twisted the truth so many times that you've even done it on top of other mistruths and then dolled it up with obvious propaganda. There isn't even any semblance to reality in this statement. Sorry.
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19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
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I believe these parades should be legal. I believe all they display is a culture revolting against oppression...something our outdated, overly religious culture/society is to blame for. Lift the ridiculous taboo on homosexuality and it won't be nearly as much of an obssession for those involved.
I have no problem with manger scenes or any other religious image. I think spirituality is necessary in any society...however this expresses itself. However, I don't believe that it has any place in the functions of government itself.
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20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese government is somehow in the best interest of the United States.
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I don't.
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21. You have to believe that this letter is part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy.
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Not at all...
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How to be a good Democrat:
1. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
---
Haven't researched this enough to have much of an opinion...so I'll let this go
---
2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
---
What're you saying? The majority of teachers can teach the majority of children to read. I personally don't see anything wrong with someone teaching a kid the potential dangers of unsafe sex. There's a certain amount of inhibition when you're dealing with matters of sexuality with your parents. With many kids this then shuts them down to listening or learning...learning in class with friends from a teacher removes, for most kids, this inhibition...and then encourages jokes, which makes the lesson stick. If your concern is abstinence...that's your perogative. Most schools teach it, to a degree. I personally have no issue with this as I believe that if you arm a kid with enough knowledge to be able to decide for themselves that they will, as opposed to making rash decisions at the mercy of peer pressure if they're unsure of themselves or their beliefs.
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese & North Korean communists.
---
This is blown significantly out of proportion. The liberals suggest perhaps some limitation on the ability to own guns due to a large number of people not being mentally or emotionally capable of realizing the responsibilities inherent in the ownership of firearms. This lack shows itself in increased violence...
The thing about this that makes it misleading is that this generally isn't nearly as big an issue to liberals as it may seem. The problem lies in the conservatives who react so immediately violent in response...thus making the issue seem much larger than it is.
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4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.
---
Federal funding re: art is, imo, a good thing. Art in itself rarely pays off for the artist...yet the contributions made by many artists are far more reaching, emotionally, spiritually, etc than almost anything else. Because of this reason, it is pertinent, imo, to encourage and make possible the creation of art...and thus, by implication, culture...which leads to leisure activities among the citizens of a nation. It's in the nation's best interests to promote and fund art, imo. It's an investment worth making.
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5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUVs.
---
The theory is that adding Co2 to the atmosphere will increase temperatures. Scientists then look around and notice that there has been rise in the level of Co2 in the atmosphere...and a similar rise in temperature. The theory is thus to find out if the cause is related to the Co2. Yes, some groups of very vocal extremists have gotten hold of this and made a huge issue of this, taking studies and drawing extreme conclusions...but the thing to realize is that a differentiation must be made between these extremists and the actual scientists working to find out what is really going on.
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6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.
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I don't believe gender roles are artificial. Neither do most liberals I know -- I've discussed this many times before with them.
I do believe Homosexuality is natural. Speaking from experience, I had homosexual tendencies long before I was even aware of what my emotions signified...namely sexual attraction. I just thought guys looked "cool" or "neat".
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7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.
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The issue isn't a contradiction. It's whether or not what is inside the woman is an actual person or not. You're making the same decision, just earlier. Most people believe it's okay to waste some sperm, to use some contraceptives. Right there you're making a similar decision or judgement.
In regards to capital punishment, I personally have strong feelings in opposition of the death penalty. I'm just fundamentally, morally, against it. I don't think it is our place to take away life from another person. I don't intend to further this with an explanation...we all have our reasons and I don't want to get into it.
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8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression, and governments create prosperity.
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Businesses do create oppression. As a society I feel we're to a degree responsible to each other. Sometimes you need a government to step in to insure this responsibility...telling businesses that these are lives they're dealing with, not just numbers you can move around and manipulate in whichever direction benefits your company. It's just part of the price for having the benefits of government. It goes both ways at times.
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9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
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Go ahead and tell that to the people who grow up in cities and long their entire lives to live in the wilderness, in Alaska or similar locations after reading books by Jack London or seeing documentaries on PBS and National Geographic. These people have just as much claim to loving nature as any fool who grew up there. My problem with hunting is that there is no true point to it. Killing for recreation? The cliche, "animals hurt, too" is true and relevant. Have you ever seen your dog or cat hurt? What's the point in bringing pain and death to an animal for no real reason? I have no issue with those in villages such as, say, Fort Yukon, or people living on their own in the wilderness...it's just when fools who have access to abundant and well priced meat in their local market who decide to go out into the woods to kill, sometimes for no greater purpose than to have a head to mount that I take issue. I think any reasonably moral person would/should if they think it through.
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10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.
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I believe that every human has limitations. Some people have to be shown that there is a reason to live...ie, be granted stability in such fundamental aspects as shelter, food and health...before they're mentally capable of going out there to make their own way.
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11. You have to believe that the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.
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I don't have any clue what you're attempting to say with this. Maybe I'm just tired...I'll look at it again tommorrow.
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12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.
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It's a question of what the constitution intended, and what is necessary in a more advanced society than was present back in the late 1700's when owning guns was necessary for many Americans due to attacks by Indians and the constant looming threat of war. I mean, our militia was a huge part of our being able to make it out on our own. Now that we have attained independence and stability, some people believe it would be a good thing to scale back and to adapt to the world we now live in, which is more assured and stable. Things are entirely different now than then and many fans of the NRA fail to realize the profound implications of this.
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13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
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I don't feel like getting into this, economics aren't my best subject and thus I don't feel at liberty to discuss them. I trust, however, the beliefs of others I've grown to trust.
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14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E.Lee, and Thomas Edison.
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This has to be sarcastic...
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15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.
---
Haven't looked into this enough to understand it fully, but it does make sense to me. Cultures are different. Standards are different. The culture of the inner city has different cultural landmarks than the landmarks found in the culture of the suburbs and country. It is to this latter group that tests are biased. There is more for a person from the suburbs to personally relate to in most standardized tests than there is for a person from the inner city. It's really not that difficult a concept.
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16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and really a very nice person.
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I don't believe that at all.
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17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
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You mean communism? Personally I don't agree with communism, particularly in regards to human nature, but I do believe a form of socialism is the highest goal society can strive towards. In fact, that's what Jesus encouraged.
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18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belonged in the White House.
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This is just such a loaded and trash statement that I'm struggling to take it seriously.
I give up. You've twisted the truth so many times that you've even done it on top of other mistruths and then dolled it up with obvious propaganda. There isn't even any semblance to reality in this statement. Sorry.
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19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
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I believe these parades should be legal. I believe all they display is a culture revolting against oppression...something our outdated, overly religious culture/society is to blame for. Lift the ridiculous taboo on homosexuality and it won't be nearly as much of an obssession for those involved.
I have no problem with manger scenes or any other religious image. I think spirituality is necessary in any society...however this expresses itself. However, I don't believe that it has any place in the functions of government itself.
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20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese government is somehow in the best interest of the United States.
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I don't.
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21. You have to believe that this letter is part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy.
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Not at all...
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The issue isn't a contradiction. It's whether or not what is inside the woman is an actual person or not. You're making the same decision, just earlier. Most people believe it's okay to waste some sperm, to use some contraceptives. Right there you're making a similar decision or judgement.
IMO, until the sperm and the egg meet and fertilization takes place, there is NO human life. However, from the moment of conception, I believe there is life. I don't believe the woman has the right to choose to end that life. She should have thought of the consequences BEFORE she chose to have unprotected sex. I realize that rape happens and the woman has no choice in that matter. BUT, that does NOT make that baby any less alive. It is an innocent victim of a violent crime. She should carry it to full term and give it up for adoption.
After all, what is the purpose of sex? Is it just for pleasure? I don't think so. I believe sex exists simply to reproduce. A woman's body was created for the purpose of supporting a new life until that baby is capable of living outside of the womb.
In regards to capital punishment, I personally have strong feelings in opposition of the death penalty. I'm just fundamentally, morally, against it. I don't think it is our place to take away life from another person. I don't intend to further this with an explanation...we all have our reasons and I don't want to get into it.
According to your belief, is taking the life of an unborn baby not the same thing? Again, this is my opinion, but science has tried to reason away truth by claiming that because that baby cannot survive outside the mother's womb until a certain stage in pregnancy, it is not a life. That's a bunch of bull.
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Republican Ethics - for your edification.
1. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.
2. The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.
3. Government should relax regulation of Big Business and Big Money, but crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of illness.
4. The government has no business telling me I can't have guns, but when you want to exercise freedom of choice, then it's time for a Constitutional amendment.
5. George W (6% unemployment, $87+ billion to Iraq, half-trillion dollar deficit) is doing a great job getting us out of the economic mess that Clinton (3.8% unemployment, peace, huge surplus) got us into.
6. A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multinational corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
7. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.
8. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.
9. Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run for governor of California as a Republican.
10. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.
11. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our longtime allies, then demand their cooperation and money.
12. HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public at heart.
13. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing
health care to all Americans is socialism.
14. Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
15. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush couldn't find Bin Laden.
16. A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying about nonexistent Weapons of Mass Destruction to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.
17. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.
18. The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business.
19. You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have a right to adopt.
20. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the 1980s is irrelevant.
21. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
22. We have to run background checks on every Muslim traveler to the U.S. because those b*****ds killed 2,800 Americans on 9/11, but a background check on gun buyers? No way! 15,000 gun-related deaths in the U.S.? C'mon. Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
23. We're leaving no child behind. Entire public school systems, that's another story.
24. Americans shouldn't buy imported goods, but other countries should all buy our stuff.
25. The Right is still bashing a president who's been out of office for three years, who made our economy healthy, and who didn't alienate the rest of the world's leaders. The minute anyone says anything about little Georgie, it's wrong.
26. John Ashcroft can spy on you, tap your phone, check your email, even search your home. An independent investigation into the administration? Not a chance
1. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.
2. The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.
3. Government should relax regulation of Big Business and Big Money, but crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of illness.
4. The government has no business telling me I can't have guns, but when you want to exercise freedom of choice, then it's time for a Constitutional amendment.
5. George W (6% unemployment, $87+ billion to Iraq, half-trillion dollar deficit) is doing a great job getting us out of the economic mess that Clinton (3.8% unemployment, peace, huge surplus) got us into.
6. A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multinational corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
7. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.
8. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.
9. Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run for governor of California as a Republican.
10. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.
11. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our longtime allies, then demand their cooperation and money.
12. HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public at heart.
13. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing
health care to all Americans is socialism.
14. Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
15. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush couldn't find Bin Laden.
16. A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying about nonexistent Weapons of Mass Destruction to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.
17. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.
18. The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business.
19. You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have a right to adopt.
20. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the 1980s is irrelevant.
21. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
22. We have to run background checks on every Muslim traveler to the U.S. because those b*****ds killed 2,800 Americans on 9/11, but a background check on gun buyers? No way! 15,000 gun-related deaths in the U.S.? C'mon. Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
23. We're leaving no child behind. Entire public school systems, that's another story.
24. Americans shouldn't buy imported goods, but other countries should all buy our stuff.
25. The Right is still bashing a president who's been out of office for three years, who made our economy healthy, and who didn't alienate the rest of the world's leaders. The minute anyone says anything about little Georgie, it's wrong.
26. John Ashcroft can spy on you, tap your phone, check your email, even search your home. An independent investigation into the administration? Not a chance
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Re: Democrat Ethics - for your edification.
Willh wrote:---
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.
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I don't believe gender roles are artificial. Neither do most liberals I know -- I've discussed this many times before with them.
I do believe Homosexuality is natural. Speaking from experience, I had homosexual tendencies long before I was even aware of what my emotions signified...namely sexual attraction. I just thought guys looked "cool" or "neat".
How does this prove that you believe homosexuality is natural?
Are you gay or straight? (You don't *have* to answer that, but it helps to understand your argument.) Perhaps it's still to early in the morning and I'm not clear on what you're saying. However, to me, it sounds like you're saying that you're straight, but that you had "tendencies" upon which you didn't "choose" to act. Thinking guys looked "cool" or "neat" are not signs of sexual attraction. A lot of guys can look at a really buff guy and be in awe (and probably jealous) of his physique. Girls can do it also.
For me, the emotional significance of what I felt growing up had far less to do with sexual attraction and more to do with falling in love and feeling drawn to the person as soulmates.
I know plenty of Republicans who believe it is natural and a handful of Democrats who think it's a choice, so that whole Rep/Dem difference flies out the window as far as I'm concerned.
Captain Har wrote: 7. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.
How in the world can Hillary and gays be put in the same category? Again, I know plenty of Dems who hate gays and plenty of Reps who don't. And I sure as heck don't like Hillary Clinton either!
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All you're doing is giving me the original point...which I already explained I disagreed with. You're not making it anymore eloquent, you're merely dolling it up with words meant to affect me. They don't. It is inherently different to perform an execution than it is to perform an abortion...that is my opinion. I'm not arguing it further.timNms wrote:The issue isn't a contradiction. It's whether or not what is inside the woman is an actual person or not. You're making the same decision, just earlier. Most people believe it's okay to waste some sperm, to use some contraceptives. Right there you're making a similar decision or judgement.
IMO, until the sperm and the egg meet and fertilization takes place, there is NO human life. However, from the moment of conception, I believe there is life. I don't believe the woman has the right to choose to end that life. She should have thought of the consequences BEFORE she chose to have unprotected sex. I realize that rape happens and the woman has no choice in that matter. BUT, that does NOT make that baby any less alive. It is an innocent victim of a violent crime. She should carry it to full term and give it up for adoption.
After all, what is the purpose of sex? Is it just for pleasure? I don't think so. I believe sex exists simply to reproduce. A woman's body was created for the purpose of supporting a new life until that baby is capable of living outside of the womb.
In regards to capital punishment, I personally have strong feelings in opposition of the death penalty. I'm just fundamentally, morally, against it. I don't think it is our place to take away life from another person. I don't intend to further this with an explanation...we all have our reasons and I don't want to get into it.
According to your belief, is taking the life of an unborn baby not the same thing? Again, this is my opinion, but science has tried to reason away truth by claiming that because that baby cannot survive outside the mother's womb until a certain stage in pregnancy, it is not a life. That's a bunch of bull.
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I believe that it is wrong to kill a human being because they're aware, feel, have emotions, etc.timNms wrote:Not arguing with you, Will. Just pointing out the fact that you say it's wrong to take the life of another human. Therefore, according to your argument, it is wrong to abort (kill)a baby.
From what I've seen, babies do not fit this category...and thus I don't think of them as people. They're potential people.
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I take it you've never been a a parent then Will. Even a baby in the womb reacts to his parents. They respond to play and react to spicy foods. There's not a doubt in my mind they are aware while still in the womb! FYI, I'm the father of 4 fine young people and the grandfather of two. Abortion is murder IMO
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Willh wrote:I believe that it is wrong to kill a human being because they're aware, feel, have emotions, etc.timNms wrote:Not arguing with you, Will. Just pointing out the fact that you say it's wrong to take the life of another human. Therefore, according to your argument, it is wrong to abort (kill)a baby.
From what I've seen, babies do not fit this category...and thus I don't think of them as people. They're potential people.
Okay, someone here has to say it so it may as well be me. Will, that is the most absurd statement I have ever read, well almost.
Marshall you said it best!! I agree 100%.
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Willh wrote:I believe that it is wrong to kill a human being because they're aware, feel, have emotions, etc.timNms wrote:Not arguing with you, Will. Just pointing out the fact that you say it's wrong to take the life of another human. Therefore, according to your argument, it is wrong to abort (kill)a baby.
From what I've seen, babies do not fit this category...and thus I don't think of them as people. They're potential people.
You bring up a good point, although I cannot commit one way or another as to whether or not unborn babies are conscious/aware. I do agree, however, that if it were somehow proven beyond a reasonable doubt (which seems unlikely to ever happen) that babies are not aware, it would make abortion seem much less wrong to me. That's not to say go completely wild to the point where women are getting abortions as routinely as dental checkups, but mistakes do happen, and in many cases the abortion prevents a life of hardship and suffering that often results from children being born to unwilling parents.
But again, IMHO it might be a little presumptuous to feel any sort of confidence that fetuses are not aware (as is it for those who are claiming they are 100% sure they are aware).
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As I've said on the wwbb...it's a subject I don't have strong feelings for either way. In the context of this post, I'm attempting to clarify the reason I see no contradiction.brettjrob wrote:Willh wrote:I believe that it is wrong to kill a human being because they're aware, feel, have emotions, etc.timNms wrote:Not arguing with you, Will. Just pointing out the fact that you say it's wrong to take the life of another human. Therefore, according to your argument, it is wrong to abort (kill)a baby.
From what I've seen, babies do not fit this category...and thus I don't think of them as people. They're potential people.
You bring up a good point, although I cannot commit one way or another as to whether or not babies are conscious/aware. I do agree, however, that if it were somehow proven beyond a reasonable doubt (which seems unlikely to ever happen) that babies are not aware, it would make abortion seem much less wrong to me. That's not to say go completely wild to the point where women are getting abortions as routinely as dental checkups, but mistakes do happen, and in many cases the abortion prevents a life of hardship and suffering that often results from children being born to unwilling parents.
But again, IMHO it might be a little presumptuous to feel any sort of confidence that babies are not aware (as is it for those who are claiming they are 100% sure they are aware).
Like I said...I would never vote either way in regards to abortion. My opinion is sketchy at best, and based on what limited info I've read. If babies do in fact feel and have emotions...I would be against it.
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brettjrob wrote:Willh wrote:I believe that it is wrong to kill a human being because they're aware, feel, have emotions, etc.timNms wrote:Not arguing with you, Will. Just pointing out the fact that you say it's wrong to take the life of another human. Therefore, according to your argument, it is wrong to abort (kill)a baby.
From what I've seen, babies do not fit this category...and thus I don't think of them as people. They're potential people.
You bring up a good point, although I cannot commit one way or another as to whether or not unborn babies are conscious/aware. I do agree, however, that if it were somehow proven beyond a reasonable doubt (which seems unlikely to ever happen) that babies are not aware, it would make abortion seem much less wrong to me. That's not to say go completely wild to the point where women are getting abortions as routinely as dental checkups, but mistakes do happen, and in many cases the abortion prevents a life of hardship and suffering that often results from children being born to unwilling parents.
But again, IMHO it might be a little presumptuous to feel any sort of confidence that fetuses are not aware (as is it for those who are claiming they are 100% sure they are aware).
What about the horror stories of dr.'s performing abortions and the babies moving to avoid whatever instrument the dr is using? Are those myths?
To say that a baby cannot feel is not true. We may not have "scientific proof" that they have no feelings, but just ask any parent. They'll tell you that even newborns are aware of their surroundings and they do have feelings. They recognize their parents' voices. I can say this to be truth because I have 2 kids and I've witnessed these things.
As for the second part of your post "a mistake"...yeah, people make mistakes, but the way to correct that mistake is NOT by killing the baby. First of all, the woman should have used protection, either on her own or demanded her partner use protection. Making a "mistake" is NOT an excuse to kill a baby.
She should be made to have the baby and give it to someone who will love and care for it, if she doesn't want to take the responsibility for her ADULT act.
Who gives us the right to say "killing a baby might prevent it from the hardhips of having parents who don't want it"? The parents should have thought about that before they decided to have unprotected sex. Again, the humane thing to do is to give the baby to someone who wants it.
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timNms wrote:brettjrob wrote:Willh wrote:I believe that it is wrong to kill a human being because they're aware, feel, have emotions, etc.timNms wrote:Not arguing with you, Will. Just pointing out the fact that you say it's wrong to take the life of another human. Therefore, according to your argument, it is wrong to abort (kill)a baby.
From what I've seen, babies do not fit this category...and thus I don't think of them as people. They're potential people.
You bring up a good point, although I cannot commit one way or another as to whether or not unborn babies are conscious/aware. I do agree, however, that if it were somehow proven beyond a reasonable doubt (which seems unlikely to ever happen) that babies are not aware, it would make abortion seem much less wrong to me. That's not to say go completely wild to the point where women are getting abortions as routinely as dental checkups, but mistakes do happen, and in many cases the abortion prevents a life of hardship and suffering that often results from children being born to unwilling parents.
But again, IMHO it might be a little presumptuous to feel any sort of confidence that fetuses are not aware (as is it for those who are claiming they are 100% sure they are aware).
What about the horror stories of dr.'s performing abortions and the babies moving to avoid whatever instrument the dr is using? Are those myths?
To say that a baby cannot feel is not true. We may not have "scientific proof" that they have no feelings, but just ask any parent. They'll tell you that even newborns are aware of their surroundings and they do have feelings. They recognize their parents' voices. I can say this to be truth because I have 2 kids and I've witnessed these things.
As for the second part of your post "a mistake"...yeah, people make mistakes, but the way to correct that mistake is NOT by killing the baby. First of all, the woman should have used protection, either on her own or demanded her partner use protection. Making a "mistake" is NOT an excuse to kill a baby.
She should be made to have the baby and give it to someone who will love and care for it, if she doesn't want to take the responsibility for her ADULT act.
Who gives us the right to say "killing a baby might prevent it from the hardhips of having parents who don't want it"? The parents should have thought about that before they decided to have unprotected sex. Again, the humane thing to do is to give the baby to someone who wants it.
And like I've said here in the past, too...there are some very nice adoption agencies (even Catholic, Christian, etc. operated ones) that would give a baby to a caring, loving couple or family.
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Unfortunately, more children are being put up for adoption than are being adopted.Skywatch_NC wrote:And like I've said here in the past, too...there are some very nice adoption agencies (even Catholic, Christian, etc. operated ones) that would give a baby to a caring, loving couple or family.
Perhaps the answer is population control.
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I could be wrong in regards to that. I've just heard that not enough people are adopting American children from several places.mf_dolphin wrote:Where do you see that more children are being put up for adoption than are being adopted. From everything I've ever read there is a long waiting list of people wanting to adopt. I'd be interested in reading your source.
I know there are huge waiting lists, but mostly I think that's with, say, Cambodian or Chinese kids.
I could be wrong, like I said. I'm just quoting what I've heard...I'd be interested to know as well if that's incorrect.
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The reason people are traveling overseas is because there aren't enough babies here available. A lot of the children up for adoption here in the states are children from troubled homes or children with birth defects. My parents were foster parents for thirty years so I'm pretty familiar with the situation. They cared for children until a permanent home could be found. Over the course of the years we had over 50 different children in our home.
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mf_dolphin wrote:The reason people are traveling overseas is because there aren't enough babies here available. A lot of the children up for adoption here in the states are children from troubled homes or children with birth defects. My parents were foster parents for thirty years so I'm pretty familiar with the situation. They cared for children until a permanent home could be found. Over the course of the years we had over 50 different children in our home.
Marshall, I have a cousin who's mother didn't have the financial means for awhile to care for her...so she was in foster care...but am really thankful that she wasn't adopted out...Cherie is a wonderful woman today and married with a daughter of her own and is a very talented singer, too.
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