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#21 Postby Rainband » Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:40 pm

chadtm80 wrote:Were Making a comparison Rainband
Like I said I DONT like Kerry but Bush seemed like he was dodging questions tonight. Clinton is long gone. That was my point. Who cares if he could speak or not he isn't our leader :wink:
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#22 Postby chadtm80 » Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:42 pm

Rainband I was just pointing out that Clinton was a good speaker, but a bad pres imo.. And Bush is a good Pres but a bad speaker imo.. That was my point ther John
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#23 Postby Rainband » Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:44 pm

chadtm80 wrote:Rainband I was just pointing out that Clinton was a good speaker, but a bad pres imo.. And Bush is a good Pres but a bad speaker imo.. That was my point ther John
I got it :)
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#24 Postby azskyman » Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:49 pm

Johnathan...we think the world of you too! Clinton's charisma and confidence is and has always been overinflated when speaking...but it works. Bush, on the other hand, is most natural away from the cameras and lights....and is known mostly for that pesky "smirk" that many say ought to be trademarked by the patriarchs of the GOP! It has REPUBLICAN written all over it!

I'll take a man of substance any day.

As for Bush's reference to this not being "his Vietnam," there are really few comparisons. Most of all, this administration is committed to seeing the job through.
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#25 Postby thepiecesfit » Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:54 pm

azskyman wrote:I'll take a man of substance any day.

Precisely. As someone with liberal views that, more often than not, are polar opposites from GW's, I find it somewhat disheartening that the Democratic nominee does give the impression (at least to this observer) of being more about style than substance. That's not to say that Bush's poor speaking should be completely overlooked; far from it, in fact, as in some cases it could be an indication of underlying weaknesses. But the bottom line is that neither candidate seems terribly appealing to me this go-around (much like was the case in November 2000), and it feels like choosing between the lesser of two evils: a poor speaker and staunch conservative who is fairly sincere and means what he says, or a flashy speaker and (usually) liberal whose sincerity is questionable at best.
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#26 Postby timNms » Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:54 pm

brettjrob wrote:
Rainband wrote:I am not sure :roll: :roll: I really thought he was very nervous. I agree he isn't one of the best speakers. Like I said. I don't like Kerry but Bush Blew it on this press conference in my opinion. I loved his opening statement. He seemed a tad nervous in the beginning. Then He couldn't answer simple questions. He repeated himself over and over. This is the man who leads our nation. I understand we all have bad days. He didn't seem very confident and ran from tough questions... That makes me nervous. Sorry just being honest.

Absolutely; it's nice to see someone willing to step out of the confines of partisanship every once and a while. We can never know for sure what goes on behind closed doors, but repeated poor performances in press conferences and/or interviews does have to lead one to question the man's intelligence and personal effectiveness. One can easily agree with him on issues and applaud the major decisions he has made, but still admit that he may or may not always be prepared to face the tough questions and back those decisions up in front of the American people.

I am not a big fan of either Bush or Kerry, but in the case that I were to be 18 this coming November I would most likely vote for the latter. I understand that being a poor speaker should really have no more bearing on one's presidency than having a private extramarital affair (ahem), but for me it is impossible to wonder whether the poor speaking is simply a natural weakness of his, or possibly an indication of a deeper lack of intelligence and personal ability to face the music when his sidekicks aren't acessible to him? Just my thoughts; those suspicions very well may be invalid, but either way I think what's important here is to recognize both the weaknesses and strong points of Presidents (and Presidential candidates!) of any and all parties, regardless of your own affiliation.


Brett,
with all due respect to you, just 'cause a person has problems getting words to come out right, doesn't mean he/she is unintelligent. I can sit here and type with the best of 'em...but put me in front of an audience and everything I say comes out backward LOL. (Guess that's why I majored in ELEM. Ed instead of secondary ed. I can speak in front of kids all day long, but put a group of young adults, or adults in front of me and my brain freezes. :oops: )
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#27 Postby thepiecesfit » Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:59 pm

timNms wrote:Brett,
with all due respect to you, just 'cause a person has problems getting words to come out right, doesn't mean he/she is unintelligent. I can sit here and type with the best of 'em...but put me in front of an audience and everything I say comes out backward LOL. (Guess that's why I majored in ELEM. Ed instead of secondary ed. I can speak in front of kids all day long, but put a group of young adults, or adults in front of me and my brain freezes. :oops: )

And as has been said that is completely valid, but the problem in the specific case of George W. Bush is that he comes off as a very confident man who would have little natural fear of public speaking. It isn't necessarily his tone or posture so much as his choice of words and ability to respond directly to the real meat of the questions presented.

Bush's speaking skills are not directly correlated with his intelligence, that's for sure; but at the same time, they cannot be used as an excuse for dodging questions and lacking answers. Hope this makes sense .
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#28 Postby sunnyday » Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:02 pm

He looked really tired and stressed to me. He didn't seem confident tonight.
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#29 Postby timNms » Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:05 pm

thepiecesfit wrote:And as has been said that is completely valid, but the problem in the specific case of George W. Bush is that he comes off as a very confident man who would have little natural fear of public speaking. It isn't necessarily his tone or posture so much as his choice of words and ability to respond directly to the real meat of the questions presented.

Bush's speaking skills are not directly correlated with his intelligence, that's for sure; but at the same time, they cannot be used as an excuse for dodging questions and lacking answers. Hope this makes sense .


He may be like me.....when he gets home or even hours later thinks "Man, why didn't I say......" LOL I can think of a million things that I should have said after I think about things a bit.
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#30 Postby thepiecesfit » Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:24 pm

timNms wrote:
thepiecesfit wrote:And as has been said that is completely valid, but the problem in the specific case of George W. Bush is that he comes off as a very confident man who would have little natural fear of public speaking. It isn't necessarily his tone or posture so much as his choice of words and ability to respond directly to the real meat of the questions presented.

Bush's speaking skills are not directly correlated with his intelligence, that's for sure; but at the same time, they cannot be used as an excuse for dodging questions and lacking answers. Hope this makes sense .


He may be like me.....when he gets home or even hours later thinks "Man, why didn't I say......" LOL I can think of a million things that I should have said after I think about things a bit.

Believe me, I understand what you mean! :lol:
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#31 Postby Hoosierwxdude » Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:34 pm

I'm cramming for an exam tomorrow and only caught the last half or so of the press conference. From what I saw, I don't think he did a bad job. I thought most of his answers came out "right" and I thought he showed that conviction that he has become known for. That being said I still don't think I will vote for him (or Kerry either) but I suppose anything is possible.
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#32 Postby mf_dolphin » Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:37 pm

President Bush graduated from Harvard business school so he's definitely got it on the ball mentally. I guess we all realize that public speaking isn't his strongest talent. lol
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#33 Postby WEATHER53 » Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:08 pm

Bush is a one term president. The only thing that will prevent a resouunding defeat is the Kerry will not bring to the table what Clinton did. I see about a 60-40 win for Kerry, maybe 55-45. Father and son bonds can transcend evern presidencies and there is no doubt in my mind that a from day one agenda was to finish dad's unfinished business. Not inherently a bad plan but the game strategy failed to include the second half. Now, we have an enemy of such unconventional means that we cannot find nor kill. Whether it is 3,500 die hards or 35,000, what are we going to do?-kill 10 per day for the next 1-10 years. The June 30 exit is the lesser of two evils, cut and run early but at least get the heck out versus stay and wiggle some more in the quicksand.
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#34 Postby ColdFront77 » Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:39 pm

timNms wrote:(Brett), with all due respect to you, just 'cause a person has problems getting words to come out right, doesn't mean he/she is unintelligent. I can sit here and type with the best of 'em...but put me in front of an audience and everything I say comes out backward LOL. (Guess that's why I majored in ELEM. Ed instead of secondary ed. I can speak in front of kids all day long, but put a group of young adults, or adults in front of me and my brain freezes. :oops: )

Absolutely right, there are different levels of getting our words out and our level of intelligence.

I have difficulty starting conversations with people in person, (it isn't as difficult for some with Asperger's Syndrome, it isn't as difficult) and you [Brett], not being an outgoing individual, similar to myself are very intelligent.
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#35 Postby ColdFront77 » Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:47 pm

mf_dolphin wrote:President Bush graduated from Harvard business school so he's definitely got it on the ball mentally. I guess we all realize that public speaking isn't his strongest talent. lol

Let's see how this comes out... :roll:

Sure people get good grades in high school (some not deserving), get accepted to Harvard, Yale and/or MIT and (in these same cases) the majority of their
grades are C's, D's and F's. How can they really be/be considered that intelligent?

The same can be said for those that do not go to college for whatever reason, like myself. Being intelligent and thinking you will or won't do well are three
difference things, which isn't fair.
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#36 Postby stormchazer » Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:49 am

WEATHER53 wrote:Bush is a one term president. The only thing that will prevent a resouunding defeat is the Kerry will not bring to the table what Clinton did. I see about a 60-40 win for Kerry, maybe 55-45. Father and son bonds can transcend evern presidencies and there is no doubt in my mind that a from day one agenda was to finish dad's unfinished business. Not inherently a bad plan but the game strategy failed to include the second half. Now, we have an enemy of such unconventional means that we cannot find nor kill. Whether it is 3,500 die hards or 35,000, what are we going to do?-kill 10 per day for the next 1-10 years. The June 30 exit is the lesser of two evils, cut and run early but at least get the heck out versus stay and wiggle some more in the quicksand.


In other words, do the same thing we have done for the past 20 years. Send a message...
1. The US has no stomach for war - Kill Americans.
2. The US does not keep its promises - Kill Americans.
3. Americas way of life makes them weak - Kill Americans.

Can you tell me how this strategy has been successful in last 20 years? When did terrorist not attack because we ran like chicken-sh@t weaklings? Did this strategy prevent further attacks after Beruit? The Cole was the last attack because we did not act? The first WTC bombing was handled like a police problem. Did we get the desired result? I noticed that the WTC site is awful barren today. Should we now run again?
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#37 Postby rainstorm » Wed Apr 14, 2004 6:13 am

the more important question is why democrats feel bush is there enemy, not the terrorists.
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#38 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Apr 14, 2004 6:48 am

rainstorm wrote:the more important question is why democrats feel bush is there enemy, not the terrorists.


Why, that is simple my darlin'!!! He/we're not democrats, therefore he/we are inherently bad people no matter what his/our views are. You know, the liberal versus conservative, good vs evil, etc. It makes things so much easier if we just categorize people and DON'T THINK!!!!! LIFE IS SIMPLE!! I AM A REPUBLICAN, THEREFORE I AM CONSERVATIVE, THEREFORE I AM BAD(Ask any good DEMOCRAT!!!). That is some of the flawed thinking everyone on both sides of this "argument" needs to get away from.
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#39 Postby j » Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:37 am

I thought he did fine considering he was getting hammered by the likes of LA Times types!

The one line that reminded me why there is no better man to be our president at this time in history...(from memory)

"When I say I'm going to do something..I do it"

Bush is a man that stands behind what he says, and I believe in his heart, he feels he did all he could do to prevent 911. It was obvious that the attack Liberal machine had one purpose last night, and that was to insist that Bush apologize for EVERYTHING!

I'm glad he didn't cave in.
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#40 Postby WEATHER53 » Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:20 am

stormchazer wrote:
WEATHER53 wrote:Bush is a one term president. The only thing that will prevent a resouunding defeat is the Kerry will not bring to the table what Clinton did. I see about a 60-40 win for Kerry, maybe 55-45. Father and son bonds can transcend evern presidencies and there is no doubt in my mind that a from day one agenda was to finish dad's unfinished business. Not inherently a bad plan but the game strategy failed to include the second half. Now, we have an enemy of such unconventional means that we cannot find nor kill. Whether it is 3,500 die hards or 35,000, what are we going to do?-kill 10 per day for the next 1-10 years. The June 30 exit is the lesser of two evils, cut and run early but at least get the heck out versus stay and wiggle some more in the quicksand.


In other words, do the same thing we have done for the past 20 years. Send a message...
1. The US has no stomach for war - Kill Americans.
2. The US does not keep its promises - Kill Americans.
3. Americas way of life makes them weak - Kill Americans.

Can you tell me how this strategy has been successful in last 20 years? When did terrorist not attack because we ran like chicken-sh@t weaklings? Did this strategy prevent further attacks after Beruit? The Cole was the last attack because we did not act? The first WTC bombing was handled like a police problem. Did we get the desired result? I noticed that the WTC site is awful barren today. Should we now run again?


It was my observation of what I think will be happening, not what I recommend nor wish had to happen. I do not think the stragegy is a successful one but he will be able to avoid direct comparisons to past retreats in that this June 30 date is some sort of set date, set for months now, to turn over to Iraqi govt and he can just stick with the already set date, thus avoiding a direct duck and run.
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