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#21 Postby WEATHER53 » Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:17 am

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WEATHER53 wrote:Interesting thread. It is a divide and conquer and I think the Euros can see thru the scam. I also believe that some of the other countries would not be as squeamish concering reprisals as we seem to be if their civilians are paraded about and harmed. We still do not seem to want to go to any length, citing it is not civilized to use certain methods. I think it is far more uncivilized to use carpet methods that kill civilians and rile the populous than it would be to use some behinds the scenes stuff like assassination and even torture to get us directly to the root of the problem.
Concerning immigration, the land of the free was once a place where people of other lands came, were generally not treated very hospitably initially, but went through the rigors of learning the language and assimilating, and became part of- with all the benefits thereof. Now no one wants to assimilate, learning the language has become politically incorrect, working for the benefits is too hard so must just give it away, afro-American and other prefixes is bunk, I am no euro-American just American, and achieving a life in American is being changed to being given a life in America and the concept of making admission to the free country essentially "free", well I guess it's worth what you paid for it.


I highly doubt that those who were brought here from Africa as slaves and were legally forbidden opportunities until 40 years ago would agree with your assertions about prefixes.


There is no corollary between this statement and mine. Also, living in the past keeps you with the results of the past.
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#22 Postby Guest » Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:25 am

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zwyts wrote:
WEATHER53 wrote:Interesting thread. It is a divide and conquer and I think the Euros can see thru the scam. I also believe that some of the other countries would not be as squeamish concering reprisals as we seem to be if their civilians are paraded about and harmed. We still do not seem to want to go to any length, citing it is not civilized to use certain methods. I think it is far more uncivilized to use carpet methods that kill civilians and rile the populous than it would be to use some behinds the scenes stuff like assassination and even torture to get us directly to the root of the problem.
Concerning immigration, the land of the free was once a place where people of other lands came, were generally not treated very hospitably initially, but went through the rigors of learning the language and assimilating, and became part of- with all the benefits thereof. Now no one wants to assimilate, learning the language has become politically incorrect, working for the benefits is too hard so must just give it away, afro-American and other prefixes is bunk, I am no euro-American just American, and achieving a life in American is being changed to being given a life in America and the concept of making admission to the free country essentially "free", well I guess it's worth what you paid for it.


I highly doubt that those who were brought here from Africa as slaves and were legally forbidden opportunities until 40 years ago would agree with your assertions about prefixes.


There is no corollary between this statement and mine. Also, living in the past keeps you with the results of the past.


For someone who makes such unique and perceptive observations about most topics, when you hit a sour note it sticks out. The past is indelibly etched in our psyches and affects everything we do, especially when the past rears its ugly head with repetition.
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#23 Postby WEATHER53 » Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:32 am

Nice to go point to point with you again.
I would categorize your last statement as a "victimization" statement which is a good portion of the my theme of many woes being caused by the abdication of personal responsibility and a key component of that abdication being "I am a victim, I am not responsible for how I act now because so many wrongs of the distant past cause me to be this way"
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#24 Postby Guest » Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:45 am

WEATHER53 wrote:Nice to go point to point with you again.
I would categorize your last statement as a "victimization" statement which is a good portion of the my theme of many woes being caused by the abdication of personal responsibility and a key component of that abdication being "I am a victim, I am not responsible for how I act now because so many wrongs of the distant past cause me to be this way"


Yes, but victimization, martyrdom, etc. come from being victimized. It is not an emotion invented out of thin air. So to tell someone who has been victimized for a better part of their lives to suck it up and take responsibility is overly simplistic.
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#25 Postby stormchazer » Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:29 pm

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WEATHER53 wrote:Interesting thread. It is a divide and conquer and I think the Euros can see thru the scam. I also believe that some of the other countries would not be as squeamish concering reprisals as we seem to be if their civilians are paraded about and harmed. We still do not seem to want to go to any length, citing it is not civilized to use certain methods. I think it is far more uncivilized to use carpet methods that kill civilians and rile the populous than it would be to use some behinds the scenes stuff like assassination and even torture to get us directly to the root of the problem.
Concerning immigration, the land of the free was once a place where people of other lands came, were generally not treated very hospitably initially, but went through the rigors of learning the language and assimilating, and became part of- with all the benefits thereof. Now no one wants to assimilate, learning the language has become politically incorrect, working for the benefits is too hard so must just give it away, afro-American and other prefixes is bunk, I am no euro-American just American, and achieving a life in American is being changed to being given a life in America and the concept of making admission to the free country essentially "free", well I guess it's worth what you paid for it.


I highly doubt that those who were brought here from Africa as slaves and were legally forbidden opportunities until 40 years ago would agree with your assertions about prefixes.


not to mention native-Americans


Nor those slaughtered in the Coliseum! Or the Muslims slaughter by Europe during the Crusades!
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#26 Postby Guest » Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:31 pm

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zwyts wrote:
WEATHER53 wrote:Interesting thread. It is a divide and conquer and I think the Euros can see thru the scam. I also believe that some of the other countries would not be as squeamish concering reprisals as we seem to be if their civilians are paraded about and harmed. We still do not seem to want to go to any length, citing it is not civilized to use certain methods. I think it is far more uncivilized to use carpet methods that kill civilians and rile the populous than it would be to use some behinds the scenes stuff like assassination and even torture to get us directly to the root of the problem.
Concerning immigration, the land of the free was once a place where people of other lands came, were generally not treated very hospitably initially, but went through the rigors of learning the language and assimilating, and became part of- with all the benefits thereof. Now no one wants to assimilate, learning the language has become politically incorrect, working for the benefits is too hard so must just give it away, afro-American and other prefixes is bunk, I am no euro-American just American, and achieving a life in American is being changed to being given a life in America and the concept of making admission to the free country essentially "free", well I guess it's worth what you paid for it.


I highly doubt that those who were brought here from Africa as slaves and were legally forbidden opportunities until 40 years ago would agree with your assertions about prefixes.


not to mention native-Americans


Nor those slaughtered in the Coliseum! Or the Muslims slaughter by Europe during the Crusades!



Comparing 20th century to a 1000 years ago??
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#27 Postby cycloneye » Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:36 pm

The latest news is that the voice heard in the audiotape is of Osama Bin Laden confirmed by the CIA.
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#28 Postby WEATHER53 » Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:00 pm

I we followed the idea that past misdeedes legitimizes current poor behavior or resentments then the USA and it's citizens would be in furor with Great Britian, the country we had to flee and fight to establish our independence. Instead, we are the closet of allies.
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#29 Postby cycloneye » Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:10 pm

BEER980 wrote:I guess he is not as surrounded as they want us to believe.


Beer why do you think Osama Bin Laden is not as surrounded as we think he is?
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#30 Postby Aslkahuna » Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:24 pm

fought two wars with England (and almost a third ) and even invaded Canada and Mexico. However, it should be noted that our entry into WWI on the side of England and France was not greeted with a great deal of enthusiasm in the Irish based Communities in this Country. Also, a side note-Native Americans don't hyphenate the term.

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#31 Postby BEER980 » Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:19 pm

Well cycloneye he is still keeping up to date on what is going on in the world by mentioning current events . He is still producing audio and sometimes video tapes. To produce these it takes some resources to make them and get it to Al-Jazeera TV. Just my take on it though, your mileage may vary.
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#32 Postby mf_dolphin » Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:21 pm

I haven't seen a video from Osama since the manure hit the fan for him. Audio can be done with a pocket recorder and smuggled out fairly easily.

He is still alive but life's not what it used to be lol
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#33 Postby cycloneye » Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:26 pm

Ok BEER thanks for answering my question.I tend to agree that if he is with many people with him it will be more easy to get Osama caughted or killed but with a handfull of people it will be more difficult to catch not only him but the #2.
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#34 Postby cycloneye » Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:37 pm

mf_dolphin wrote:I haven't seen a video from Osama since the manure hit the fan for him. Audio can be done with a pocket recorder and smuggled out fairly easily.

He is still alive but life's not what it used to be lol


He may be very sick as you said Marshall no VIDEOTAPES since the war began in Afganistan on october 7 2001 the last time he was in a video.
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#35 Postby stormchazer » Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:07 pm

zwyts wrote:
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PaolofromRome wrote:
zwyts wrote:
WEATHER53 wrote:Interesting thread. It is a divide and conquer and I think the Euros can see thru the scam. I also believe that some of the other countries would not be as squeamish concering reprisals as we seem to be if their civilians are paraded about and harmed. We still do not seem to want to go to any length, citing it is not civilized to use certain methods. I think it is far more uncivilized to use carpet methods that kill civilians and rile the populous than it would be to use some behinds the scenes stuff like assassination and even torture to get us directly to the root of the problem.
Concerning immigration, the land of the free was once a place where people of other lands came, were generally not treated very hospitably initially, but went through the rigors of learning the language and assimilating, and became part of- with all the benefits thereof. Now no one wants to assimilate, learning the language has become politically incorrect, working for the benefits is too hard so must just give it away, afro-American and other prefixes is bunk, I am no euro-American just American, and achieving a life in American is being changed to being given a life in America and the concept of making admission to the free country essentially "free", well I guess it's worth what you paid for it.


I highly doubt that those who were brought here from Africa as slaves and were legally forbidden opportunities until 40 years ago would agree with your assertions about prefixes.


not to mention native-Americans


Nor those slaughtered in the Coliseum! Or the Muslims slaughter by Europe during the Crusades!



Comparing 20th century to a 1000 years ago??


The African Slave trade was in the mid 1800s. Are we talking 150 yaers ago? I think my examples are no less pertinent.
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#36 Postby timNms » Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:11 pm

Someone needs to drop a bomb on Al-Jazeera TV and that will stop the audio/video tapes. IMO they're just as much terrorists as OBL for airing that junk.
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#37 Postby cycloneye » Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:17 am

timNms wrote:Someone needs to drop a bomb on Al-Jazeera TV and that will stop the audio/video tapes. IMO they're just as much terrorists as OBL for airing that junk.


Agree Tim on Al-Jazzera being a branch of Al-Qaeda in a propaganda way and must be closed by the UN or a more drastic way to take it out.Also Al-Arabya another channel from that area is doing the same.
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#38 Postby Guest » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:51 am

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The African Slave trade was in the mid 1800s. Are we talking 150 yaers ago? I think my examples are no less pertinent.[/quote]

I wasn't just talking about slavery, I was also talking about segregation/discrimination which was legal until 40 years ago and still exists de facto. So, yes, given the distance between my events and the present and your events and the present, I would assert that, indeed, your examples are MUCH less pertinent.
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#39 Postby vbhoutex » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:55 am

Back to the original message of this thread for a second!!! I heard on the news this am that every European country had rejected OBL's offer-even France and Germany!! Just wondering if anyone else had heard this????
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#40 Postby Guest » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:21 am

No one can really accept any proposal from a terrorist.
In the old Europe we are quite habit to have inside terrorism,
that kills people every time they need something, or they wanna
change things.
That may sound brand new in US, but we're full of terrorists that place bombs or shoot people to express their ideals.
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