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#141 Postby Brent » Mon May 17, 2004 7:40 pm

senorpepr wrote:15/7/3

...with a handful of tropical depressions that will fall apart into open waves and annoy a bunch of us here in the forum...


Very true. Oh god... last year I was ready out of a building during those. That and the naked swirls(Henri especially).
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#142 Postby cycloneye » Mon May 17, 2004 7:41 pm

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cycloneye wrote:Here is the list of the members numbers so far:

Cycloneye=13/8/3
Chadtm80=15/6/3 (Preliminary numbers)
Lindaloo=14/7/3
stormraiser=14/8/2
Stormsfury=13/8/3
therock1811=15/6/2
king of weather=14/8/4
vbhoutex=14/7/4
ColdFront77=14/7/3
MGC=12/7/2
senorpepr=15/7/3
mf_dolphin=14/8/3
vacanechaser=15/8/4
Rainband=16/6/4
coriolis=16/7/4
MIA_canetrakker=15/8/4
Typhoon Willie=15/8/3
Jekyhe32210=13/6/2
Hurricanehink=14/9/4
Josephine96=15/7/4
Hurri=19/8/4
Barometer Bob=14/8/3
rainydaze=16/8/3
Air Force Met=13/7/3
Vortex=15/9/5
wx247=17/7/3
WidreMann=11/4/1=Preliminary numbers
FWBHurricane=14/9/4
King6=13/7/4
tomboudreau=12/7/3
Storm Man=15/9/4
tropicalweatherwatcher=13/9/5
stormchazer=15/9/3
SacrydDreamz=13/9/4
Wnghs2007=16/11/4
Boca=14/8/3
NEWeatherguy=14/7/3
Windtalker=14/6/4
bahamaswx=15/8/3
Amanzi=12/7/2
Yoda=14/8/3
Floydbuster=15/10/5
Hyperstorm=15/9/4 (Preliminary numbers)
The Cycloman_PR=14/8/4
Weathermaster=16/9/4
Gailforce=15/11/5
OuterBanker=14/8/3
GulfBreezer=15/8/3
TexasStooge=11/7/2
zoeyann=15/7/2
weatherluvr=15/6/3
Thunder44=10/7/4
Brent=13/8/3
GalvestonDuck=13/8/4
HURAKAN=16/8/4
YankeeGirl=16/8/4
cctx=17/9/5



Here is the list of the forecasts updated.You can participate until may 31 at midnight EDT when the poll will close and let's see which of the members comes closer to what in reallity will happen.Non-experts and the more knowlegeable can participate so throw your hat with your forecast.




Until may 31 at midnight EDT the members have to post their forecasts if you haven't done so yet.This is a non-scientific poll but only to see how many of the members are the most close to what will happen during the season so throw your hat.



Sandy=HURAKAN has been added.
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#143 Postby GalvestonDuck » Wed May 19, 2004 1:18 pm

On March 15, GalvestonDuck wrote:Is it that time already? :)

Give me about a week. I still have to do my NCAA brackets first. :wink:


Okay, so I needed a week and then some. :)

13/8/4
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#144 Postby cycloneye » Wed May 19, 2004 1:22 pm

GalvestonDuck wrote:
On March 15, GalvestonDuck wrote:Is it that time already? :)

Give me about a week. I still have to do my NCAA brackets first. :wink:


Okay, so I needed a week and then some. :)

13/8/4


Wow GD a week you needed :lol: But you haved been added.
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#145 Postby cycloneye » Tue May 25, 2004 6:50 pm

Ok time is running out for this sample of forecasts as may 31 at midnight EDT it will be closed.Those who haven't yet participated can post their numbers and then at the end of the season we will see which members were the most closer to what in reallity happened in 2004 so throw your hat those who haven't.
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#146 Postby Aquawind » Tue May 25, 2004 6:59 pm

Is there a prize involved? Comon lets up the ante S2K !! :sadly:
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#147 Postby chadtm80 » Tue May 25, 2004 7:00 pm

Ok.. Sure, Ill up the ante.. There will be Prizes ;-)
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#148 Postby HURAKAN » Tue May 25, 2004 7:09 pm

16/8/4

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#149 Postby cycloneye » Tue May 25, 2004 7:12 pm

HURAKAN added.
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#150 Postby Yankeegirl » Tue May 25, 2004 8:33 pm

My guess... 16/8/4 Good Luck Everyone!!!
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#151 Postby cycloneye » Tue May 25, 2004 9:37 pm

YankeeGirl is now added to the long list of forecasts.
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#152 Postby cctx » Tue May 25, 2004 10:56 pm

For what it's worth, my guess is 17/9/5
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#153 Postby cycloneye » Wed May 26, 2004 5:46 am

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#154 Postby Steve » Wed May 26, 2004 1:27 pm

Here's mine. Sorry it's so long.

I have read several different forecasts this year including WRC, Gary Gray, Iwx, Bastardi’s prelim, CSU and Hurricane Alley. Of those 6, I only pay nominal attention to WRC’s forecast because I don’t put a lot of stock into what they say, but it’s worthwhile to browse through when bored. Same goes for Gary Gray and Millennium Weather. Of the other 4, all arrive at their analogs in different fashions. Iwx went with 53, 61, 66, 80, 95. Hurricane Alley (based on 30 climate predictors) came up with 55, 72, 85, 88, 90, 95, and 2002. Bastardi (though his forecast isn’t coming out until June 20th or so – Landfall Intensity Forecast based on the July-October season dealt with there) hinted at 44, 66, 78 and 95 (though he’s not etched in stone yet). Dr. William Gray and the CSU forecast team utilized 58, 61, 80 and 2001.

Links to the sites noted:

Dr. Gray's April Forecast

Independent wx 2004 forecast

Weather Research Center 2004 Forecast

Hurricane Alley's 2004 Forecast

Millennium Weather 2004 Forecast

As you can see, those are pretty divergent years primarily because they come from divergent methodologies. You can check their respective sites and forecasts to see what predictors they use to come up with their analogs. Joe B. likes to use water temperature profiles and certain temperature and moisture predictors in the CONUS, but he doesn’t divulge all of what goes into his forecast. He carries some additional weight because his landfall intensity forecasts have been fairly good, and in some aspects, excellent.

The seasons that cross between the 4 sets of analogs are 1961 (twice), 1966 (twice), 1980 (twice), and 1995 (3x). A study of tracks from those years yields conflicting signals. 3 of the years featured central or north Texas hits, 2 featured N FL hits, and 3 featured Canadian Maritime hits. Now I’m not one to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I don’t believe that analog year tracks are in any way, shape or form indicative of hits in an upcoming season. They can provide a general idea as to what we might expect under similar conditions, but the tracks themselves are not apt to repeat. Some may get close, but 150 miles either way could be the difference between a Louisiana vs. Florida hit, North Carolina vs. Delaware hit or a New Jersey vs. a Connecticut hit.

A great thing about the Internet is that you can pull something up that you don’t have to research yourself anymore. Dr. Gray, Iwx, NOAA, NCEP and others take care of some of that work for you. They give a good idea as to potential ENSO conditions, QBO, NAO, SOI, SLP, wind directions at certain heights, etc. So what I try to throw together borrows heavily from what they’ve already provided.

One of the primary factors this year is the uncertainty of ENSO conditions. I believe Iwx has the best handle and presentation on it, but no one truly knows. It is my opinion that unanticipated volcanic activity is always possible and represents one of several proverbial jokers or wildcards – and one of the most important. Primarily neutral ENSO conditions seem inevitable for the near-term, but we really don’t know for sure. Other factors such as the ATHC and QBO seem to point to a higher number of storms, slightly southerly tracks for those originating in the Atlantic and the potential for at least a slightly more than normal number of Intense Hurricanes (3’s, 4’s and/or 5’s) as well as Intense Hurricane Days.

Having watched Joe B for 4 or 5 years has taught me to pay attention to water temperature profiles and sea surface temperature anomalies. These are ever changing, but as of May 26, 2004, above average water is most prevalent along the NC & VA coasts. We know from past years that this invites a very strong ridge off and along the SE Coast of the United States. This often provides a blocking mechanism for storms and/or waves moving westward south of 20N. Of additional note is that the water has reversed itself from April off the FL Panhandle from what we saw in April. Compared to 2003 which had the warm water anomalies further north, we’ll have to see if we can draw any future inferences based on this water temperature profile and what tracks waves and storms take when interacting with ridging off the SE Coast and the mean ridge position relative to where any given storm is when approaching.

Most of the forecasters mentioned above along with NOAA are calling for an above average year. WRC, with 7 named storms and only 3 hurricanes predicted, seems to have an extremely low bias in number of storms. Therefore, I’ll stay with the flow and guess that we’ll see about 13 named storms, 8 hurricanes and 3 Intense Hurricanes.

Independent Wx, as noted in prior posts, did some research last year that showed that after active Gulf years (I believe out of the last 50 or 60 years) such as 2002, the chances for more than 3 named storms in the Gulf in the following year was pretty remote. If memory serves me correctly, only 1 year had 3 storms following a year with 6 or more named storms in the Gulf, a couple had 2, but most of the rest had either 1 or 0. This didn’t hold true for last season as 2002’s 6-storm Gulf season was followed by 2003’s 5 named storm and TD #7 season. Based on everything I’m looking at, it looks as though any trend toward a quiet Gulf year will be again interrupted in 2004. Indeed, most of the forecasters mentioned at the top have certain areas of the Gulf as real hotspots, including WRC. It should also be noted here that Joe Bastardi has clued in that he believes the most intense storm to make landfall this year will be along the US Gulf of Mexico coast. Factoring in some of the analog years seems to indicate a better than average chance for a strong hit on Texas and/or NW Florida.

Landfall forecast areas:

Brownsville, TX to Lafayette, LA = 2 named storm hits and potentially a strong to major hurricane hit.

Lafayette, LA to Pascagoula, MS = 1-2 hits, most likely weaker systems (e.g. Tropical Storms)

MS/AL line to Cedar Key, FL = 2 named storm hits with the potential for a strong to intense storm between Panama City Beach, FL and Mobile Bay, AL. It should be noted that areas north of there in Southern Georgia are currently experiencing drought conditions. One of the ways out of droughts is through the influx of tropical moisture. However, the drought conditions there are not considered severe at this time.

West Coast of Florida south of Cedar Key = potential for 1 tropical storm or weaker (Cat 1) Hurricane. No definite hit predicted.

FL Keys = Impossible to predict. Based on the NHC’s probability tables for active storms (a storm passes within 65 miles of a specific area), one would expect the keys to see a brush by.
Homestead, FL to Duval County, FL = Possible impact from a hurricane cutting west beneath anticipated ridging off the SE Coast. No specific hits predicted.

GA & SC Coasts = No hits predicted. Possible impacts from Gulf systems coming up from the South.

NC Coast – You can never discount coastal North Carolina as it, along with FL and SE LA seems to be at least brushed every year by a system. I don’t see any early direct hits but depending on the evolution of the late summer to early fall, it’s possible that we could see some coastal impact on the Outer Banks. I do expect there will be several fish spinners during ‘low tide” of the Atlantic Ridge. This will most likely provide good surfing at different points during the hurricane season.

Virginia Coast to Delmarva Peninsula = No anticipated landfalls. Possible impact from storms coming up from the SW.

New Jersey = No anticipated landfalls.

Long Island through coastal Maine = Potential late season impact if the warm waters off the NC Coast remain intact for most of the summer. Impact could be from phasing later in the season or from a hurricane curving out to sea and clipping the Cape in MA.

Canadian Maritimes = 2 anticipated landfalls. Because of late season blocks, it’s possible that any system off the east coast of the United States will move N or NNE on its way to distribute heat from the tropics to the north. Bear in mind that the Maritimes extend east to 53W and provide an easy target for a north moving or late curving storm.

This is the hurricane season as I understand it today. It’s a bunch of guesswork factored in with the research from people I trust. Last year’s landfall predictions were uncanny. In my wildest dreams, I didn’t anticipate it being as good as it was. Luck will run out on me, and it might as well be this year. If it’s worth anything, print it out on soft paper and save it for an emergency :).

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#155 Postby Anonymous » Wed May 26, 2004 2:07 pm

Steve, well thought out post. Can't really argue with anything you're predicting, with the exception of a few of the landfalls (as you already know of course). I like how you look at a little bit of everybody's thinking and then draw your own reasonable conclusions...deserves its own topic imo.
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#156 Postby Josephine96 » Wed May 26, 2004 2:29 pm

I was about to ask about prizes lol.. Someone already covered that :wink:
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#157 Postby Steve » Wed May 26, 2004 2:31 pm

Thanks Rob. I read your forecast last night thanks to Jason's post over at CFHC. I hadn't yet gotten a chance to thank you for your time and effort until now. As lazy as I am, I've come to depend on reading what you and Jason put out every year. I'm greatful for all the hardwork as is probably everyone else. Hey, even jimw had major props on his site for you guys. You gotta love it.

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#158 Postby Stormsfury » Wed May 26, 2004 2:41 pm

Final release ---- 13/8/3 ... (upped the hurricane number from 7 on the Mid-March prelim).

more details on my website.

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#159 Postby cycloneye » Wed May 26, 2004 5:39 pm

Stormsfury wrote:Final release ---- 13/8/3 ... (upped the hurricane number from 7 on the Mid-March prelim).

more details on my website.

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Ok SF added one hurricane to your numbers.
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#160 Postby *StOrmsPr* » Wed May 26, 2004 8:38 pm

Hey Cycloeye my numbers are 15/8/4
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