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#1 Postby azsnowman » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:57 am

WELL.....I guess the USDA Forest Service ISN'T as stupid as I once thought, after grounding EVERY SINGLE LARGE Airtanker at the START of the fire season, made me kinda WONDER! :roll:



Maximum fire restrictions in effect




By: Larisa Bogardus , The Independent 06/17/2004




Maximum fire restrictions are now in effect on the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forests, meaning no open flames of any kind are permitted anywhere on the forests.
Effective June 17, no campfires are allowed anywhere on the forests, including developed campgrounds. Campers are permitted to use liquid or pressurized gas stoves and lanterns and generators equipped with a spark arrestor.

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Outdoor smoking is banned entirely. Tobacco can be used indoors where allowed or in a vehicle if the ashtray is used. Chain saw use is also prohibited.
Fireworks are never allowed on any forest at any time.
Also as a result of the extreme fire danger, some areas of the forests, have been closed to the public because access/egress would be limited or impossible in the event of a fire.
On the Alpine Rander District, those areas are the Bearwallow Wilderness; the area south and west of Alpine; the KP Fire area; the Three Forks Fire area.
On the Springerville Ranger District, the closures also include the area northwest and south of Greer, including Mt. Baldy Wilderness; and the area south of Brookchar and Grayling campgrounds at Big Lake.
On the Lakeside Ranger District, the area north of Pinetop between FR 182 and 45; an area north of Lakeside; and the forest south of Show Low.
On the Black Mesa Ranger District, Forest Road 9350 is closed; Promontory Butte is closed; and the Larson area west and south of Forest Lakes is closed.
Although wide-ranging, the closures total only 10 percent of the forests' total acreage. Maps of closure areas are available online at http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/asnf and at district offices.
Many other parts of the Apache-Sitgreaves remain open to camping, fishing and hiking. Campers should have a shovel, extra water and a pail for use in a fire emergency. Restrictions and closures will be lifted when adequate precipitation is measured Forest-wide.
Violators of the restrictions are subject to fines of up to $5,000 for an individual or $10,000 for a group, and/or incarceration for up to six months.
Level one fire restrictions were imposed May 26, limiting fires and other open flame to developed campgrounds and smoking within a 3-foot diameter of bare earth.
Since then, high winds, lower humidity and lack of precipitation have turned the forest into a tinderbox.
"Live" trees are showing moisture content as low as 10 percent, Forests Supervisor Elaine Zieroth said. "They don't know they're dead yet."
Fuels on the ground are showing a moisture content of 2 percent ˜ less than kiln-dried lumber.
"We're to the point anything will cause a fire," Zieroth said. "It's so dry, if you drop a match, you're guaranteed a fire."
A good example is a 2002 grass fire caused by sparks from a flat tire's rim that scorched 10,000 acres and came within a quarter mile of Eagar and Springerville.
Due to the extreme danger of fire, the forest is eligible for "severity funding," allocated by the USDA Forest Service based in Washington, D.C., forest spokesman Bob Dyson said.
That money has enabled the forest to bring in additional resources until the fire danger abates.
Those resources include: Three additional tankers, bringing the total to 17; two additional bulldozers, for a total of seven; two Type 2 hand crews, stationed at Springerville and Lakeside Ranger Districts; one single engine air tanker (SEAT) based at Springerville Airport; and 19 additional law enforcement and firefighters. The funds will also pay for longer working days and seven-day staffing for the above resources and also the nine lookout towers.
More information on statewide fire and smoking restrictions is available by visiting http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/fire. Camping and fire information is available at the Apache-Sitgreaves web site at http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/asnf.
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#2 Postby azsnowman » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:00 pm

Look at the moisture content in the LIVE fuels, "10%" :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: and LESS than 2% in the dead fuels :eek: :eek: :eek: I KNEW it was DRY BUT!

Dennis :cry:
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#3 Postby Guest » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:21 pm

Is it me or does this seem to happen year after year in this part of the country especially this time of year right before the monsoon kicks in? It seems to me that i have heard this countless times the last several years.

My question is what has been done about this or what has changed in the last several years leading up to current to help keep this from happening Dennis? And if nothing then why stay there because it seems to upset you so much? And i say that because unlike other weather disaters this seems to be a ongoing thing every year that seems to happen in the same place unlike Tornadoes, Hurricanes and such that hit the same place but alot less frequently.
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#4 Postby Pburgh » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:25 pm

King, you just don't understand how much the Snowman loves his White Mountains. He is probably willing to put up with almost anything. It just irritates the he!! out of him when dimwits cause so much of the problem!!!!
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#5 Postby Guest » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:30 pm

Pburgh wrote:King, you just don't understand how much the Snowman loves his White Mountains. He is probably willing to put up with almost anything. It just irritates the he!! out of him when dimwits cause so much of the problem!!!!



Yeah i agree. Hopefully they are doing something about it. Thats what has rubbed me the wrong way. Need tougher laws or something. Thats why i asked. see what is being done about it.
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#6 Postby therock1811 » Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:32 pm

Good! Something shoulda been done BEFORE the Rodeo Fire!
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#7 Postby azsnowman » Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:27 pm

KingOfWeather wrote:
Pburgh wrote:King, you just don't understand how much the Snowman loves his White Mountains. He is probably willing to put up with almost anything. It just irritates the he!! out of him when dimwits cause so much of the problem!!!!



Yeah i agree. Hopefully they are doing something about it. Thats what has rubbed me the wrong way. Need tougher laws or something. Thats why i asked. see what is being done about it.


WELL KING......for ONE, your comments about my "Anyone ELSE!" REALLY frosted my COOKIES TOO, but did I say a WORD? HE** NO! You seem to have a BONE TO PICK WITH ME specifically, if you DO, PLEASE PM and DO me a FAVOR, DO NOT do this in public....UNDERSTAND??!?!?!!

Dennis
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#8 Postby Guest » Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:54 pm

azsnowman wrote:
KingOfWeather wrote:
Pburgh wrote:King, you just don't understand how much the Snowman loves his White Mountains. He is probably willing to put up with almost anything. It just irritates the he!! out of him when dimwits cause so much of the problem!!!!



Yeah i agree. Hopefully they are doing something about it. Thats what has rubbed me the wrong way. Need tougher laws or something. Thats why i asked. see what is being done about it.


WELL KING......for ONE, your comments about my "Anyone ELSE!" REALLY frosted my COOKIES TOO, but did I say a WORD? HE** NO! You seem to have a BONE TO PICK WITH ME specifically, if you DO, PLEASE PM and DO me a FAVOR, DO NOT do this in public....UNDERSTAND??!?!?!!

Dennis



Seems to me its you who has a problem here. I asked a simple question here in relation to your thread? Is there something i need to be aware of?

And like you said the PM feature works wonders.

I for one dont care for you jumping down my throat over my asking you what i thought was a good question.

You have a problem answering peoples questions when you post something like this then perhaps you need to take a little breather or dont bother posting at all because i am not the one for you to pull a attitude on such as you just did! Sorry if that sounds rude but i dont care to have you or anyone else for that matter jump my throat because i asked a simple question which i thought was a good one.

Next time use the pm if you have a problem like this. So i guess that makes 2 of us now with FROSTED COOKIES!
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#9 Postby azsnowman » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:04 pm

KingOfWeather wrote:Is it me or does this seem to happen year after year in this part of the country especially this time of year right before the monsoon kicks in? It seems to me that i have heard this countless times the last several years.

My question is what has been done about this or what has changed in the last several years leading up to current to help keep this from happening Dennis? And if nothing then why stay there because it seems to upset you so much? And i say that because unlike other weather disaters this seems to be a ongoing thing every year that seems to happen in the same place unlike Tornadoes, Hurricanes and such that hit the same place but alot less frequently.


Yes.....you HAVE heard this before and YES, it's LIKE a broken record, we are in a EXTREME drought here #1, 8 years running!

#2....No, I'm NOT gonna MOVE unless some IDIOT ignores the LAW and decides to start an illegal campfire that gets out of control.

#3....Have you ever seen FIRST hand the destruction a wildfire causes? Unlike tornado damage, hurricane damage, the damage a WILDFIRE does is FAR more destructive than the above named mentioned. You CANNOT rebuild after a wildfire.

#4....Mother Nature is in control of weather related disasters, NOT man. Total outright disregard for the LAW and ignorant PEOPLE are the #1 cause of wildfires.


Dennis
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