Kerry: 9/11 Report Casts Doubt on Iraq War

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#41 Postby stormie_skies » Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:42 pm

Comply with the UN resolutions? Are we the UN's hitman now?

If so, Israel is in violation of some 60 resolutions passed since the nation was created ....perhaps they should be next on our list....

Otherwise, lets stop using the UN resolutions as an excuse ....after all, I thought neoconservatives thought the UN was obsolete? :roll:
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#42 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:48 pm

Ah here we go with the attack on foreign policy.

We just reinforced what the UN set forth to Hussein. They would not comply so we did it for them. Sometimes you have to say when! We said WHEN!
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#43 Postby stormie_skies » Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:53 pm

Linda ~

But I thought the UN was unneccessary? Why enforce the resolutions of an obsolete institution?

And are we going to "say when" with every other nation that doesn't comply with UN resolutions, including our allies?
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#44 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:57 pm

stormie_skies wrote:Linda ~

But I thought the UN was unneccessary? Why enforce the resolutions of an obsolete institution?

And are we going to "say when" with every other nation that doesn't comply with UN resolutions, including our allies?



Great spin. Sometimes it gets to the point to where the UN is not necessary. We tried to deal with Iraq diplomatically, the UN failed. You can't compare other nations and our allies to the likes of the Saddam Hussein regime. Bottom line is, he had too many chances to comply. Quit trying to turn this around and stay on topic. Thanks!
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#45 Postby stormie_skies » Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:04 pm

This IS the topic. If we are assuming the UN's word is credible enough to validate the invasion of a sovereign nation, shouldn't we also respect its word concerning other world affairs, like the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict? And more than that, shouldn't we trust its judgment as to whether or not a threat is urgent enough to require immediate action?
And if the UN is too incompetent to handle affairs, if it is truly obsolete, then why use their resolutions as a crutch for our argument at all? And why are we asking for their assistance now with the new Iraqi government?
Im not spinning, Im just asking for a logical conclusion... :)
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#46 Postby GalvestonDuck » Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:30 am

I thought the topic was "Kerry: 9/11 report casts doubt on Iraq war" which is an ignorant statement for him to make, mixing apples and oranges.

I can see it in next week's headline -- "Kerry says lack of early season tropical development proves Kobe's innocence." Say what?
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#47 Postby rainstorm » Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:42 am

i suppose kerry wants saddam back in power butchering people.
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#48 Postby Guest » Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:18 am

rainstorm wrote:i suppose kerry wants saddam back in power butchering people.


Yes....he does.
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#49 Postby vbhoutex » Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:15 am

stormie_skies wrote:This IS the topic. If we are assuming the UN's word is credible enough to validate the invasion of a sovereign nation, shouldn't we also respect its word concerning other world affairs, like the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict? And more than that, shouldn't we trust its judgment as to whether or not a threat is urgent enough to require immediate action?
And if the UN is too incompetent to handle affairs, if it is truly obsolete, then why use their resolutions as a crutch for our argument at all? And why are we asking for their assistance now with the new Iraqi government?
Im not spinning, Im just asking for a logical conclusion... :)


I believe it is called trying to assuage the feelings of EVERYONE!! Which imo is something we need to quit doing and just do what needs to be done without worrying about what France, or Gernmany or whomever thinks. THE USA has supported and rebuilt those and other countries after other wars and all they do is give us grief for what we are trying to do for them and the world. IT DOESN'T WASH!!! They owe the USA BIILIONS of dollars which will never be repaid. Personally I am heading more and more towards an isolationist philosophy. Unfortunately that doesn't work either since we are fighting terror worldwide. I wonder what all the countries would do if their free money and aid all the sudden disappeared and we instead balanced our budget with those billions???
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#50 Postby chadtm80 » Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:18 am

stormie_skies wrote:This IS the topic. If we are assuming the UN's word is credible enough to validate the invasion of a sovereign nation, shouldn't we also respect its word concerning other world affairs, like the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict? And more than that, shouldn't we trust its judgment as to whether or not a threat is urgent enough to require immediate action?
And if the UN is too incompetent to handle affairs, if it is truly obsolete, then why use their resolutions as a crutch for our argument at all? And why are we asking for their assistance now with the new Iraqi government?
Im not spinning, Im just asking for a logical conclusion... :)

Thats your problem.. You trust every country but your own
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#51 Postby stormie_skies » Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:37 am

vbhoutex~
I can relate to your isolationist leanings - having our fingers in everyone else's pie stirs up more resentment than anything else imo. We do hand out a lot of money, we also expect things in return.... I think in the long run more harm is done than good a lot of the time.

Chad~
It wasn't a matter of that at all. I never said I trusted the UN completely, or that I distrusted our government completely. I was just looking for some consistancy. It makes no sense to me to say that the UN is supremely competent at drafting correct resolutions but is completely incapable of knowing how or when those resolutions should be enforced.
If the resolution belongs to the UN, the UN should make the decision whether or not to enforce it. That is their role, not ours. If there is a threat to the US, it is up to our government to convince the American people of that and then take full responsibility for removing the threat. But dont use the UN resolution as a crutch for that argument, or use the UN as a clean up crew when the deed is done (something Bush is clearly persuing), if they are too "incompetent" to enforce their own resolutions. Either they are capable or they aren't.
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#52 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:45 am

stormie_skies wrote:vbhoutex~
I can relate to your isolationist leanings - having our fingers in everyone else's pie stirs up more resentment than anything else imo. We do hand out a lot of money, we also expect things in return.... I think in the long run more harm is done than good a lot of the time.

Chad~
It wasn't a matter of that at all. I never said I trusted the UN completely, or that I distrusted our government completely. I was just looking for some consistancy. It makes no sense to me to say that the UN is supremely competent at drafting correct resolutions but is completely incapable of knowing how or when those resolutions should be enforced.
If the resolution belongs to the UN, the UN should make the decision whether or not to enforce it. That is their role, not ours. If there is a threat to the US, it is up to our government to convince the American people of that and then take full responsibility for removing the threat. But dont use the UN resolution as a crutch for that argument, or use the UN as a clean up crew when the deed is done (something Bush is clearly persuing), if they are too "incompetent" to enforce their own resolutions. Either they are capable or they aren't.



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