Kerry/Edwards 'Most Liberal Ticket' for Dems

[Guest]

Jara... I am curious as to why higher taxes is a negative thing?

I understand that I don't want my taxes raised, but if it is necessary why is it so evil?

It would be nice to lower taxes, but trying to balance the budget and pay off the national debt, requires some patience in doing so. raising taxes doesn't neccessarily solve problems either though to be fair. basically Republicans feel that money in the hands of corporations and the wealthy will work its way down to middle-income employees and promote development of business and stimulate growth. however democrats feel it is better to give it directly to the middle-class workers. Corporations often take the money and run, just as the middle-class worker does when he gets his paycheck. and we feel it would better help those more in need.

give it to middle class workers? no, you mean forcibly take it from someone who earned it and redustribute it to someone else. and bill, corporations employ people and create jobs, not the govt.

All taxes are forcibly taken from people. I understand you dislike of it, but this is my opinion. Of course, we could just have no taxes, and let the government create a debt driven economy. I am sure you would have no problems there.

wrong, i want everyone to have the same stake in society, which means everyone pay the same portiion of their income in taxes. i dont want a whole class of people living off the work of others

I will concede to understanding this portion of your post. but you make it seem as if we live off the WORK of others. when we are the ones busting our tail for 9.50 per hour. I am sure those who make 500,000 dollars per year worked hard to get to where they are, but they are certainly reaping the benefits of an economy where those who own the means of service and production, run free with the economy at their choosing. Luckily we have unions and such to atleast level the playing field a bit.

Unions really havent done diddly in quite some time. I think the average worker in a union is making a salary that they did almost 20yrs ago if not longer. Alot of people i know out in Ohio that work in factories tell me the starting pay in alot of these places are at about 11.50 or so which have remained that way for many of years now. Not sure how they operate in PA but in Ohio they dont do anything for the workers except increase thier monthly dues etc.

[rainstorm]

Jara... I am curious as to why higher taxes is a negative thing?

I understand that I don't want my taxes raised, but if it is necessary why is it so evil?

why is it necessary? here is an idea, if edwards and kerry feel they are being undertaxed, why dont they just send in extra money to the govt?
did they take advantage of any tax breaks on their tax returns? did teresa take advantage of any? there is no law that says you have to take a tax break. edwards and kerry are lying hypocrites, plain and simple.
they dont understand that my money belongs to me, not them

and your slogan would be "No Taxes, read my lips". Hell that sounds awesome. Get out your unlimited credit card Bush. Thank you very much for giving me my hard earned money back, and also thank you for making it worthless. I love your thinking rainstorm.

who said no taxes, i want everyone to have the same stake in govt. plain and simple. at least you agree that kerry and edwards are lying hypocrites. if they think the rich are undertaxed, shouldnt they be good examples? how many tax breaks did they turn down? what additional money did they send to the govt that they werent forced to send? they are lying hypocrites

well I wouldn't call them hypocrites. Yeah it would have sent a message to refuse their tax refunds, but oh well they didn't. They want to change the laws though, and if they changed them, they wouldn't get those refunds, so I don't think they are hypocrites. Just not very charitable Lol.

but its not a law that says they have to take ANY tax breaks. they dont have to change any law. they choose to take them to pay as little tax as possible. and if you raise taxes, you force the "rich", and i define the rich in liberal terms(anyone who makes more than you), to put their money in non-productive shelters, lessening revenue to the govt

[CaluWxBill]

i am also curious about where kerry sent his kids to school, and teresa. also, if edwards had any kids.
did they send their kids to a fancy private school while forcing poor black kids to stay in failed inner city schools due to thier bondage to the NEA? again, lying hypocites.

they probably were. That does not make me support school vouchers sorry.

[CaluWxBill]

Jara... I am curious as to why higher taxes is a negative thing?

I understand that I don't want my taxes raised, but if it is necessary why is it so evil?

why is it necessary? here is an idea, if edwards and kerry feel they are being undertaxed, why dont they just send in extra money to the govt?
did they take advantage of any tax breaks on their tax returns? did teresa take advantage of any? there is no law that says you have to take a tax break. edwards and kerry are lying hypocrites, plain and simple.
they dont understand that my money belongs to me, not them

and your slogan would be "No Taxes, read my lips". Hell that sounds awesome. Get out your unlimited credit card Bush. Thank you very much for giving me my hard earned money back, and also thank you for making it worthless. I love your thinking rainstorm.

who said no taxes, i want everyone to have the same stake in govt. plain and simple. at least you agree that kerry and edwards are lying hypocrites. if they think the rich are undertaxed, shouldnt they be good examples? how many tax breaks did they turn down? what additional money did they send to the govt that they werent forced to send? they are lying hypocrites

well I wouldn't call them hypocrites. Yeah it would have sent a message to refuse their tax refunds, but oh well they didn't. They want to change the laws though, and if they changed them, they wouldn't get those refunds, so I don't think they are hypocrites. Just not very charitable Lol.

but its not a law that says they have to take ANY tax breaks. they dont have to change any law. they choose to take them to pay as little tax as possible. and if you raise taxes, you force the "rich", and i define the rich in liberal terms(anyone who makes more than you), to put their money in non-productive shelters, lessening revenue to the govt

Yes the government is not very productive, that is why I think the government should be more fiscally responsive, and learn how to run a little more like a business, except with some checks associated with job cuts.

[CaluWxBill]

I will concede to understanding this portion of your post. but you make it seem as if we live off the WORK of others. when we are the ones busting our tail for 9.50 per hour. I am sure those who make 500,000 dollars per year worked hard to get to where they are, but they are certainly reaping the benefits of an economy where those who own the means of service and production, run free with the economy at their choosing. Luckily we have unions and such to atleast level the playing field a bit.

Unions really havent done diddly in quite some time. I think the average worker in a union is making a salary that they did almost 20yrs ago if not longer. Alot of people i know out in Ohio that work in factories tell me the starting pay in alot of these places are at about 11.50 or so which have remained that way for many of years now. Not sure how they operate in PA but in Ohio they dont do anything for the workers except increase thier monthly dues etc.

I will agree unions have done little in some time, and it is actually beneficial for companies to avoid union employees if possible. but they have set the benchmarks on how employees should be treated and even non-union companies usually adhere to these principle now.

[rainstorm]

Jara... I am curious as to why higher taxes is a negative thing?

I understand that I don't want my taxes raised, but if it is necessary why is it so evil?

why is it necessary? here is an idea, if edwards and kerry feel they are being undertaxed, why dont they just send in extra money to the govt?
did they take advantage of any tax breaks on their tax returns? did teresa take advantage of any? there is no law that says you have to take a tax break. edwards and kerry are lying hypocrites, plain and simple.
they dont understand that my money belongs to me, not them

i agree. and have you ever wondered what the employees of the education dept do all day? have they ever done anything to justify living off the money of producers? what have they done since they were formed that has made education better?

and your slogan would be "No Taxes, read my lips". Hell that sounds awesome. Get out your unlimited credit card Bush. Thank you very much for giving me my hard earned money back, and also thank you for making it worthless. I love your thinking rainstorm.

who said no taxes, i want everyone to have the same stake in govt. plain and simple. at least you agree that kerry and edwards are lying hypocrites. if they think the rich are undertaxed, shouldnt they be good examples? how many tax breaks did they turn down? what additional money did they send to the govt that they werent forced to send? they are lying hypocrites

well I wouldn't call them hypocrites. Yeah it would have sent a message to refuse their tax refunds, but oh well they didn't. They want to change the laws though, and if they changed them, they wouldn't get those refunds, so I don't think they are hypocrites. Just not very charitable Lol.

but its not a law that says they have to take ANY tax breaks. they dont have to change any law. they choose to take them to pay as little tax as possible. and if you raise taxes, you force the "rich", and i define the rich in liberal terms(anyone who makes more than you), to put their money in non-productive shelters, lessening revenue to the govt

Yes the government is not very productive, that is why I think the government should be more fiscally responsive, and learn how to run a little more like a business, except with some checks associated with job cuts.

[CaluWxBill]

Jara... I am curious as to why higher taxes is a negative thing?

I understand that I don't want my taxes raised, but if it is necessary why is it so evil?

why is it necessary? here is an idea, if edwards and kerry feel they are being undertaxed, why dont they just send in extra money to the govt?
did they take advantage of any tax breaks on their tax returns? did teresa take advantage of any? there is no law that says you have to take a tax break. edwards and kerry are lying hypocrites, plain and simple.
they dont understand that my money belongs to me, not them

i agree. and have you ever wondered what the employees of the education dept do all day? have they ever done anything to justify living off the money of producers? what have they done since they were formed that has made education better?

and your slogan would be "No Taxes, read my lips". Hell that sounds awesome. Get out your unlimited credit card Bush. Thank you very much for giving me my hard earned money back, and also thank you for making it worthless. I love your thinking rainstorm.

who said no taxes, i want everyone to have the same stake in govt. plain and simple. at least you agree that kerry and edwards are lying hypocrites. if they think the rich are undertaxed, shouldnt they be good examples? how many tax breaks did they turn down? what additional money did they send to the govt that they werent forced to send? they are lying hypocrites

well I wouldn't call them hypocrites. Yeah it would have sent a message to refuse their tax refunds, but oh well they didn't. They want to change the laws though, and if they changed them, they wouldn't get those refunds, so I don't think they are hypocrites. Just not very charitable Lol.

but its not a law that says they have to take ANY tax breaks. they dont have to change any law. they choose to take them to pay as little tax as possible. and if you raise taxes, you force the "rich", and i define the rich in liberal terms(anyone who makes more than you), to put their money in non-productive shelters, lessening revenue to the govt

Yes the government is not very productive, that is why I think the government should be more fiscally responsive, and learn how to run a little more like a business, except with some checks associated with job cuts.

did you mean to post something here.

[rainstorm]

Jara... I am curious as to why higher taxes is a negative thing?

I understand that I don't want my taxes raised, but if it is necessary why is it so evil?

why is it necessary? here is an idea, if edwards and kerry feel they are being undertaxed, why dont they just send in extra money to the govt?
did they take advantage of any tax breaks on their tax returns? did teresa take advantage of any? there is no law that says you have to take a tax break. edwards and kerry are lying hypocrites, plain and simple.
they dont understand that my money belongs to me, not them

i agree. and have you ever wondered what the employees of the education dept do all day? have they ever done anything to justify living off the money of producers? what have they done since they were formed that has made education better?

and your slogan would be "No Taxes, read my lips". Hell that sounds awesome. Get out your unlimited credit card Bush. Thank you very much for giving me my hard earned money back, and also thank you for making it worthless. I love your thinking rainstorm.

who said no taxes, i want everyone to have the same stake in govt. plain and simple. at least you agree that kerry and edwards are lying hypocrites. if they think the rich are undertaxed, shouldnt they be good examples? how many tax breaks did they turn down? what additional money did they send to the govt that they werent forced to send? they are lying hypocrites

well I wouldn't call them hypocrites. Yeah it would have sent a message to refuse their tax refunds, but oh well they didn't. They want to change the laws though, and if they changed them, they wouldn't get those refunds, so I don't think they are hypocrites. Just not very charitable Lol.

but its not a law that says they have to take ANY tax breaks. they dont have to change any law. they choose to take them to pay as little tax as possible. and if you raise taxes, you force the "rich", and i define the rich in liberal terms(anyone who makes more than you), to put their money in non-productive shelters, lessening revenue to the govt

Yes the government is not very productive, that is why I think the government should be more fiscally responsive, and learn how to run a little more like a business, except with some checks associated with job cuts.

did you mean to post something here.

yea, i win, hehe

[stormie_skies]

I vote against that which Kerry and Edwards represent.

Higher taxes;
redistribution of wealth (except there own);
Bigger Government;
Placing the International Community above the United States best interest;
New Social Program upon social program, not to help the needy, but to fix something that the program before didn't do for the needy;
Promoting Class Warfare;
Abortion; etc, etc, etc.

I support President Bush because he is the right man at the right time.

OK, lets break this down....

Higher taxes; ...which will be necessary at some point if we want to stop going so far into the hole. Oh, and many lower to middle class families are actually paying MORE to the government now than they were before the Bush tax cuts, if you count state taxes, property taxes and college tuition.

redistribution of wealth (except there own); ....I call taxing invested money at a lower rate than money people actually labor for redistribution too, its just going the wrong way.....

Bigger Government; ....Bush has increased the governments size more than any president in decades, he even created a whole new department and cabinet level position....remember?

Placing the International Community above the United States best interest; ....now be honest, was an immediate invasion of Iraq with minimal international support REALLY in our best interest? More and more Americans (a majority, now) would say NO. No one wants to give the UN the dreaded "veto power" you neoconservatives keep getting all upset about...and theres nothing wrong with acknowledging that alliances ARE USEFUL and sometimes NECESSARY.

New Social Program upon social program, not to help the needy, but to fix something that the program before didn't do for the needy; ....wasnt Clinton the one who passed welfare reform? Personally, I think the worst "social programs" our government supports are the ones that dismiss all corporate tax burdens, subsidize businesses that cant stay afloat, hand out no-contest contracts to companies that overcharge ....thats welfare too, but its going to people who DONT need it to stay alive.

Promoting Class Warfare; .....is it ALWAYS class warfare to question corporations, or to expect investors to pay taxes too? Why should the rich be beyond reproach??? Republicans have spent decades waging their own kind of "class warfare" - painting all lower class people as greedy, lazy welfare queens who breed to get big fat checks from the government. Why doesnt that "class warfare" count?

Abortion; etc, etc, etc.....the classic wedge issue. Not much more I can say about it, except that I would hope Americans choose their leaders based on a little more than one wedge issue.

[stormie_skies]

oh yeah, and.....


YAY EDWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Kerry couldn't have made a better choice.

[CaluWxBill]

I vote against that which Kerry and Edwards represent.

Higher taxes;
redistribution of wealth (except there own);
Bigger Government;
Placing the International Community above the United States best interest;
New Social Program upon social program, not to help the needy, but to fix something that the program before didn't do for the needy;
Promoting Class Warfare;
Abortion; etc, etc, etc.

I support President Bush because he is the right man at the right time.

OK, lets break this down....

Higher taxes; ...which will be necessary at some point if we want to stop going so far into the hole. Oh, and many lower to middle class families are actually paying MORE to the government now than they were before the Bush tax cuts, if you count state taxes, property taxes and college tuition.

agreed on the last part, however higher taxes do not automatically solve the problems that put our country through deficit spending. more jobs and higher wages bring the government out of deficit spending.

redistribution of wealth (except there own); ....I call taxing invested money at a lower rate than money people actually labor for redistribution too, its just going the wrong way.....
Bigger Government; ....Bush has increased the governments size more than any president in decades, he even created a whole new department and cabinet level position....remember?

yes the new department was probably neccessary, but it didn't seem to consolidate anything, just expand it.

Placing the International Community above the United States best interest; ....now be honest, was an immediate invasion of Iraq with minimal international support REALLY in our best interest? More and more Americans (a majority, now) would say NO. No one wants to give the UN the dreaded "veto power" you neoconservatives keep getting all upset about...and theres nothing wrong with acknowledging that alliances ARE USEFUL and sometimes NECESSARY.

Bush is horrible with foreign policy, he needs to understand that he is dealing with sovereign nations. Lying to them doesn't help. It may have been right to go into Iraq, but he definitely misled people as too how neccessary it was.

New Social Program upon social program, not to help the needy, but to fix something that the program before didn't do for the needy; ....wasnt Clinton the one who passed welfare reform? Personally, I think the worst "social programs" our government supports are the ones that dismiss all corporate tax burdens, subsidize businesses that cant stay afloat, hand out no-contest contracts to companies that overcharge ....thats welfare too, but its going to people who DONT need it to stay alive.

hey you have to spread the wealth around this country, nothing does that better than Corporate Welfare. personally I am not a big fan of too many new social programs anyways, unless the supplant old ones, and are more effective (such as welfare reform).

Promoting Class Warfare; .....is it ALWAYS class warfare to question corporations, or to expect investors to pay taxes too? Why should the rich be beyond reproach??? Republicans have spent decades waging their own kind of "class warfare" - painting all lower class people as greedy, lazy welfare queens who breed to get big fat checks from the government. Why doesnt that "class warfare" count?

uhmm yeah it is, those who live in poor areas and are under priviliged, are lazy people who shouldn't complain.

Abortion; etc, etc, etc. ....the classic wedge issue. Not much more I can say about it, except that I would hope Americans choose their leaders based on a little more than one wedge issue.

Lets not get into this one lol.

[Stephanie]

i am also curious about where kerry sent his kids to school, and teresa. also, if edwards had any kids.
did they send their kids to a fancy private school while forcing poor black kids to stay in failed inner city schools due to thier bondage to the NEA? again, lying hypocites.

Yeah, but they PAID for that tuition PLUS for the local school system through property taxes. Sounds like they got hit twice.