The Federal Marriage Amendment

[coriolis]

Well, Duck, I see your point about the traditions. Not sure it's exactly apples to apples though. Don't we actually agree on this particular issue? May need to refine this argument a little......

[wx247]

Exactly - the slippery slope. Once you start allowing this and allowing that, pretty soon there's nothing left but anarchy. It's not just this one issue. If we accept this, then there will be another battle later, then another, and another. It only leads in one direction: more and more "freedom" and less structure. It's the triumph of the individual. This kind of "freedom" comes with a price, though: The eventual collapse of the civilization. These changes take time, even generations. Rome wasn't built in a day and it didn't fall in a day either.

Let's follow your theory then. If we DID pass this amendment then we open the floodgates of things that should be amended such as how many kids you can have, which religions should be practiced in America, etc.

The more you "restrict", which is what happens here... the more of a divided America you create. The more division and polarization, the more anger. When people get mad they shout and fight. They don't sit down at the table and talk things out. So if we aren't talking, we accomplish nothing. When nothing is accomplished our society becomes stagnant and we create an environment favorable for unrest and revolutions.

It is a tight rope we must walk Ed. It isn't so black and white.

[coriolis]

WX, I'm not saying that the amendment should be passed. We don't disagree on that.

My whole point is that when the prevailing attitude is that people should be able to do whatever they want, the civilization is doomed. Where do you draw the line? Do you give this group what they want? What about the next group that wants something? Where does it stop?

I hope I live long enough to see what finally happens to this civilization. We are just another chapter in the history book.

[wx247]

That has always been the dilemma. The African-Americans demanded their right to freedom as well as (eventually) their right to vote. So did women. The thought at the time in which something is done is not always right as we can see by looking back into countless examples of history.

It is how we respond to and determine which causes are valid/invalid that will make or break our civilization. As long as the dialogue is open... the society will not crumble. It is once the dialogue shuts off that we should be worried.

[Josephine96]

Here's an interesting twist.. If you have at looked at the CNN.com poll..

Most are AGAINST a ban on Gay and Lesbian Marriages

[GalvestonDuck]

I saw the same basic results on an MSNBC poll -- something like 57% were against a Constitutional ban on gay marriages.

It's not that they are FOR gay marriages. But they don't feel a Constitutional amendment banning them is necessary and/or they are against such actions being taken (as explained by Garrett).

[Josephine96]

Thank you for that Duck..

[kittcat]

It used to be illegal for different races to get married. I suppose that 100 years ago it was a very shocking idea that 2 people of different skin color should marry, and was interpreted that this sort of union was against the Bible. Well times have changed. Homosexuals are part of our society folks, whether you like it or not. They should have the sames rights as everyone else. If they love each other and have a committed relationship, why should they not have the same benefits as a married couple. And, if marriage is so sancimonious between a man and woman, they why is divorce legal? Seems a bit hypocritical.

[streetsoldier]

Strangely, the "full faith and credit" clause is the reason the ACLU would LOVE for each State to decide for themselves...thus opening the door for a class-action suit that WOULD bring the Federal Goverment into the fray, not by legislation, but through the Supreme Court.

Yet, if those who have "concealed-carry" licenses/permits wanted THOSE to be considered valid under the same clause, you gotta KNOW which side the ACLU would champion.

Interesting, isn't it?

[streetsoldier]

Twenty hours have passed, and NO responses from our liberal members?

[kittcat]

Street Soldier - I may be having a "blond moment" because I have no idea what you're talking about. Why don't you elaborate a bit and then maybe someone will respond to you.