Can I Get Up On A Soapbox For A Moment?

[Lindaloo]

What about Clinton? Where did he sit for 8 years? Can you explain that? Let's hear it? Otherwise, what the heck does 7 minutes have to do with anything. This is nothing but a bunch of left wing spew.

[Guest]

What about Clinton? Where did he sit for 8 years? Can you explain that? Let's hear it? Otherwise, what the heck does 7 minutes have to do with anything. This is nothing but a bunch of left wing spew.

We are not talking about Clinton. Clinton, to be sure, made some mistakes. This has nothing to do with him.. You are blind.

[southerngale]

rofl Kiko...that's your link? I saw that and passed it up as the left wing garbage it is. I was trying to find something somewhat non-partisan with a timeline. Not that it matters anyway, this is a silly argument.

[j]

She's asking you zwyts. She hasn't seen it but it's defintely the kind of thing Michael Moore would do. I hope you're not getting your information from that quack's "movie" - you said you took it with a grain of salt.

It is in the 9/11 commission report.

Card told Bush that the SECOND tower had been hit.

Bush then sat in the room for 5-7 minutes.

I thought you said 7 minutes, not 5-7 minutes.... LIAR!!!!!!!

[Lindaloo]

What about Clinton? Where did he sit for 8 years? Can you explain that? Let's hear it? Otherwise, what the heck does 7 minutes have to do with anything. This is nothing but a bunch of left wing spew.

We are not talking about Clinton. Clinton, to be sure, made some mistakes. This has nothing to do with him.. You are blind.

Then why the blame game from you zwyts? When the shoe is on the other foot the insults start. Transparency at its finest.

[Guest]

What about Clinton? Where did he sit for 8 years? Can you explain that? Let's hear it? Otherwise, what the heck does 7 minutes have to do with anything. This is nothing but a bunch of left wing spew.

We are not talking about Clinton. Clinton, to be sure, made some mistakes. This has nothing to do with him.. You are blind.

Then why the blame game from you zwyts? When the shoe is on the other foot the insults start. Transparency at its finest.

look in the mirror!!...Same could be said for you.

At least I admit that Clinton made mistakes in office.

Can you say the same for Bush?

[Guest]

She's asking you zwyts. She hasn't seen it but it's defintely the kind of thing Michael Moore would do. I hope you're not getting your information from that quack's "movie" - you said you took it with a grain of salt.

It is in the 9/11 commission report.

Card told Bush that the SECOND tower had been hit.

Bush then sat in the room for 5-7 minutes.

I thought you said 7 minutes, not 5-7 minutes.... LIAR!!!!!!!

I said 7 minutes which is the time from many sources.

The commission says 5-7.

I knew the commission report would be more easily accepted, so I posted that...Liar.

[Lindaloo]

I did not start this blame game zwyts. So let's hear it.

[GalvestonDuck]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html <<lots there

That's not the 9/11 report. Seems kinda lefty to me.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.pdf

Here is an excerpt. I don't see anywhere (and I've scanned and used the search function) where it says he sat and read for 7 minutes.

In Sarasota, Florida, the presidential motorcade was arriving at the Emma E. Booker Elementary School, where President Bush was to read to a class and talk about education. White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card told us he was standing with the President outside the classroom when Senior Advisor to the President Karl Rove first informed them that a small, twin-engine plane had crashed into the World Trade Center.The President’s reaction was that the incident must have been caused by pilot error.

At 8:55, before entering the classroom, the President spoke to National
Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, who was at the White House. She recalled first telling the President it was a twin-engine aircraft—and then a commercial aircraft—that had struck the World Trade Center, adding “that’s all we know right now, Mr. President.”

At the White House,Vice President Dick Cheney had just sat down for a
meeting when his assistant told him to turn on his television because a plane had struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center. The Vice President was wondering “how the hell could a plane hit the World Trade Center” when he saw the second aircraft strike the South Tower.

Elsewhere in the White House, a series of 9:00 meetings was about to begin. In the absence of information that the crash was anything other than an accident, the White House staff monitored the news as they went ahead with their regular schedules.

The Agencies Confer

When they learned a second plane had struck the World Trade Center, nearly everyone in the White House told us, they immediately knew it was not an accident. The Secret Service initiated a number of security enhancements around the White House complex.The officials who issued these orders did not know that there were additional hijacked aircraft, or that one such aircraft was en route to Washington. These measures were precautionary steps taken because of the strikes in New York.

The FAA and White House Teleconferences. The FAA,the White House,
and the Defense Department each initiated a multiagency teleconference
before 9:30. Because none of these teleconferences—at least before 10:00—included the right officials from both the FAA and Defense Department, none succeeded in meaningfully coordinating the military and FAA response to the hijackings. At about 9:20, security personnel at FAA headquarters set up a hijacking teleconference with several agencies, including the Defense Department.The NMCC officer who participated told us that the call was monitored only periodically
because the information was sporadic, it was of little value, and there were other important tasks. The FAA manager of the teleconference also remembered that the military participated only briefly before the Pentagon was hit. Both individuals agreed that the teleconference played no role in coordinating a response to the attacks of 9/11.Acting Deputy Administrator Belger was frustrated to learn later in the morning that the military had not been on the call.

At the White House, the video teleconference was conducted from the Sit-uation Room by Richard Clarke, a special assistant to the president long
involved in counterterrorism. Logs indicate that it began at 9:25 and included the CIA; the FBI; the departments of State, Justice, and Defense; the FAA; and the White House shelter. The FAA and CIA joined at 9:40. The first topic addressed in the White House video teleconference—at about 9:40—was the physical security of the President, the White House, and federal agencies. Immediately thereafter it was reported that a plane had hit the Pentagon. We found no evidence that video teleconference participants had any prior information
that American 77 had been hijacked and was heading directly toward
Washington. Indeed, it is not clear to us that the video teleconference was fully under way before 9:37, when the Pentagon was struck.

Garvey, Belger, and other senior officials from FAA headquarters partici-pated in this video teleconference at various times.We do not know who from Defense participated, but we know that in the first hour none of the personnel involved in managing the crisis did.And none of the information conveyed in the White House video teleconference, at least in the first hour, was being passed to the NMCC. As one witness recalled,“[It] was almost like there were parallel decisionmaking processes going on; one was a voice conference orchestrated by the NMCC . . . and then there was the [White House video teleconference]. . . . [I]n my mind they were competing venues for command and control and decisionmaking.”

At 10:03, the conference received reports of more missing aircraft, “2 possibly 3 aloft,” and learned of a combat air patrol over Washington. There was discussion of the need for rules of engagement. Clarke reported that they were asking the President for authority to shoot down aircraft. Confirmation of that authority came at 10:25, but the commands were already being conveyed in more direct contacts with the Pentagon.

[GalvestonDuck]

She's asking you zwyts. She hasn't seen it but it's defintely the kind of thing Michael Moore would do. I hope you're not getting your information from that quack's "movie" - you said you took it with a grain of salt.

It is in the 9/11 commission report.

Card told Bush that the SECOND tower had been hit.

Bush then sat in the room for 5-7 minutes.

I'm going to have a hard time finding a link, since I saw it months ago on the news and not here on the net. But I'm certain that what I heard was that he sat momentarily so as not to alarm the kids, and then got up and went to another classroom where Secret Service agents and White House aides were with him, watching the news briefly before he was whisked away to Air Force One.

In other words, he did not sit and read to the children AFTER the second plane.

[Guest]

She's asking you zwyts. She hasn't seen it but it's defintely the kind of thing Michael Moore would do. I hope you're not getting your information from that quack's "movie" - you said you took it with a grain of salt.

It is in the 9/11 commission report.

Card told Bush that the SECOND tower had been hit.

Bush then sat in the room for 5-7 minutes.

I'm going to have a hard time finding a link, since I saw it months ago on the news and not here on the net. But I'm certain that what I heard was that he sat momentarily so as not to alarm the kids, and then got up and went to another classroom where Secret Service agents and White House aides were with him, watching the news briefly before he was whisked away to Air Force One.

In other words, he did not sit and read to the children AFTER the second plane.

I think it is on bottom of page 38, top of 39.

I will try to cut and paste, but I am not sure how to c&p a pdf.

[southerngale]

That is what I remember as well duckie.

[Guest]

That is what I remember as well duckie.

well, you are wrong.

He sat in the classroom for 5-7 minutes after Card tld him that the 2nd tower was hit.

[GalvestonDuck]

She's asking you zwyts. She hasn't seen it but it's defintely the kind of thing Michael Moore would do. I hope you're not getting your information from that quack's "movie" - you said you took it with a grain of salt.

It is in the 9/11 commission report.

Card told Bush that the SECOND tower had been hit.

Bush then sat in the room for 5-7 minutes.

I'm going to have a hard time finding a link, since I saw it months ago on the news and not here on the net. But I'm certain that what I heard was that he sat momentarily so as not to alarm the kids, and then got up and went to another classroom where Secret Service agents and White House aides were with him, watching the news briefly before he was whisked away to Air Force One.

In other words, he did not sit and read to the children AFTER the second plane.

I think it is on bottom of page 38, top of 39.

I will try to cut and paste, but I am not sure how to c&p a pdf.

Click the T in the toolbar (for text editing) and then copy and paste as you would any other text.

[GalvestonDuck]

From pp. 38-39

The President and the Vice President

The President was seated in a classroom when,at 9:05,Andrew Card whispered to him: “A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.”The President told us his instinct was to project calm, not to have the country see an excited reaction at a moment of crisis. The press was standing behind the children; he saw their phones and pagers start to ring. The President felt he should project strength and calm until he could better understand what was happening.

The President remained in the classroom for another five to seven minutes, while the children continued reading. He then returned to a holding room shortly before 9:15, where he was briefed by staff and saw television coverage. He next spoke to Vice President Cheney, Dr. Rice, New York Governor George Pataki, and FBI Director Robert Mueller. He decided to make a brief statement from the school before leaving for the airport.The Secret Service told us they were anxious to move the President to a safer location, but did not think it imperative for him to run out the door.

Okay, so we were both right.

[Kiko]

rofl Kiko...that's your link? I saw that and passed it up as the left wing garbage it is. I was trying to find something somewhat non-partisan with a timeline. Not that it matters anyway, this is a silly argument.

The statements in this article are sourced and linked. Quite a few from the White House as a matter of fact. Where's your proof that it happened any differently than the dozens of reports sited there?

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/time ... ngday.html

[Skywatch_NC]

From pp. 38-39

The President and the Vice President

The President was seated in a classroom when,at 9:05,Andrew Card whispered to him: “A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.”The President told us his instinct was to project calm, not to have the country see an excited reaction at a moment of crisis. The press was standing behind the children; he saw their phones and pagers start to ring. The President felt he should project strength and calm until he could better understand what was happening.

The President remained in the classroom for another five to seven minutes, while the children continued reading. He then returned to a holding room shortly before 9:15, where he was briefed by staff and saw television coverage. He next spoke to Vice President Cheney, Dr. Rice, New York Governor George Pataki, and FBI Director Robert Mueller. He decided to make a brief statement from the school before leaving for the airport.The Secret Service told us they were anxious to move the President to a safer location, but did not think it imperative for him to run out the door.

Okay, so we were both right.

I'm glad Bush didn't just get up right away and leave those kids...as he was just trying to prevent a wave of anxiety and panic among them.

[j]

I'm glad Bush didn't just get up right away and leave those kids...as he was just trying to prevent a wave of anxiety and panic among them.

Amen Eric....beware though...you are trying to justify his actions with reason and common sense...the liberals won't like that

[Guest]

I'm glad Bush didn't just get up right away and leave those kids...as he was just trying to prevent a wave of anxiety and panic among them.

Amen Eric....beware though...you are trying to justify his actions with reason and common sense...the liberals won't like that

Would it have been reasonable and common sensical for him to calmly say

"Children, I'm sorry, I have to leave to tend to an important matter"

[GalvestonDuck]

rofl Kiko...that's your link? I saw that and passed it up as the left wing garbage it is. I was trying to find something somewhat non-partisan with a timeline. Not that it matters anyway, this is a silly argument.

The statements in this article are sourced and linked. Quite a few from the White House as a matter of fact. Where's your proof that it happened any differently than the dozens of reports sited there?

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/time ... ngday.html

I'll quote your site itself as a reason not to believe any or all of what it says:

The many accounts of what happened to Bush on 9/11 are riddled with disinformation of false threats, omitted details, fudged timing, and more.