Seasons w/ the First NS becoming a major hurricane....

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Seasons w/ the First NS becoming a major hurricane....

#1 Postby USAwx1 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:45 pm

Alright Let’s take a look at ratio of Total named storms to hurricanes and Hurricanes to major hurricanes in season where the FIRST named storm of the season reached at least CAT 3 status to see what if any correlation there is between this and the increased probability for more storms to reach Hurricane and Major hurricane strength relative to the total number which form in any given season.

The years which saw the FIRST NS of the season reach at least CAT 3 intensity were as follows (since 1945):

1945, 1950, 1951, 1961, 1966, 1977, 1980, 1983, 2000

In 1945, the total number of storms which formed was 11. 5 of those 11 (45%) reached hurricane status and 3 of the 5 hurricanes (60%) got up to CAT 3 strength or higher.

http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane ... index.html

1945 would NOT support the idea above WRT the ratio of the number of NS to Hurricanes but WOULD support the idea for the ratio of hurricanes to intense hurricanes w/ 60% reaching or exceeding CAT 3 intensity.

1950 saw 13 named storms, 11 hurricanes and 8 intense hurricanes.

http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane ... index.html

A WHOPPING 84% of systems which formed in this particular season reached hurricane status and a similarly impressive 72% reached/exceeded CAT 3 intensity. 1950 seems to support this idea.

1951 was just as impressive w/ 10 NS, 8 H and 5 IH.

http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane ... index.html

Here we had 80% of the total number of storms that formed becoming hurricanes, and 62% of the hurricanes becoming major Hurricanes. Seems to fit for both the ratio of total storms to canes and canes to major hurricanes.

1961: 11 NS, 8 H, 7 IH

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72% of the total systems in 1961 reached hurricane intensity and 87% of hurricanes reached major hurricane intensity.

http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane ... index.html

So, along with 1950, and 1951—1961 would also support our theory.

1966: 11 NS, 7 H, 3 IH.

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In 1966, 63% of the total number of storms became hurricanes, and 42% of the total number of canes reached CAT 3 strength or better.

Now, 1966 DOES support the theory for the ratio of NS to Hurricanes, but NOT for the number of canes to major canes.

http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane ... index.html

1977: 6 NS, 5 H, 1 IH.

Ironically, this season saw the FIRST storm become the strongest of the season---reaching CAT 5 strength! That storm being Hurricane Anita which was active from 8/29 to 9/3.

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Otherwise, 83% of the total storms that formed reached hurricane status, while only 20% (or in this case just ONE storm) attained major hurricane intensity.

http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane ... index.html

Therefore, 1977 fits the bill for the ratio of NS to Hurricanes, but NOT for the ratio of canes to major hurricanes.

1980: 11 NS, 9 H, 2 IH.

ANOTHER season started w/ a bang. Hurricane Allen reached CAT 5 Status twice during it’s life span from JUL 31-AUG 11.

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81% of the total number of storms became Hurricanes, however like 1977, only 22% of the total number of canes that formed reached/exceeded CAT 3 intensity.

http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane ... index.html

Like 1977, it fits the bill for the ratio of NS to Hurricanes, but NOT for the ratio of canes to major hurricanes.

1983: 4 NS, 3 H, 1 IH

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Here we have one of the most intensely boring seasons in recent memory. Heck the 1983 hurricane season was better than prescription ambien for sleep deprivation. Only 4 NS formed.

In any case 75% of the total number of storms that formed became hurricanes, and 25% of the total number of canes reached major hurricane strength. This would place 1983 in a similar boat as 1966, and 1977.

http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane ... index.html

2000: 15 NS, 8H, 3 IH.

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53% of total systems which formed in 2000 became hurricanes and 37% of the total number of hurricanes became major hurricanes.

http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane ... index.html

For this reason 2000 also joins 1966, 1977, and 1983 as a year which fit for the relationship between Names storms and Canes, but NOT for the relationship between canes and Major canes.

SO what can we conclude…

1. 9/10 (90%) seasons in which the first NS of the season reached Major hurricane status saw OVER 50% of the total named storms become Hurricanes.
2. 3/10 (30%) seasons saw both over 50% of the total number of storms which formed become hurricanes, AND over half of the total number of hurricanes become Major Hurricanes.
3. 4/10 (40%) saw over half of the total named storms become canes BUT less than 50% of hurricanes become major hurricanes.

The correlation between the First NS of the season becoming a Major Hurricane and over half of the named storms the remainder of the season becoming at least hurricanes seems to be the strongest.

Thus, we may be able to suggest that a majority of the systems which form this season will at the VERY LEAST become hurricanes.
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#2 Postby Stormchaser16 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:55 pm

Great post.... and great trends to go by here!

One thing- Allen reached Cat 5 status 3 times during its lifespan, not only twice i believe
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#3 Postby TropicalJon » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:57 pm

Very interesting post...quick question. Why wouldn't you include Andrew in 1992?
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#4 Postby Stormchaser16 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:58 pm

And the only reason i correct that is because Allen went down to 899 MB during one of its Cat 5 stretches, making it third on the list, next to Gilbert and then of course the Labor Day hurricane with the lowest pressure.

It was also the strongest hurricane(tied with Camille)
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#5 Postby USAwx1 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:59 pm

TropicalJon wrote:Very interesting post...quick question. Why wouldn't you include Andrew in 1992?


the Subtropical storm which occurred in APR of that year counts as the first actual Storm.
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#6 Postby USAwx1 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:00 pm

Stormchaser16 wrote:Great post.... and great trends to go by here!

One thing- Allen reached Cat 5 status 3 times during its lifespan, not only twice i believe


Yeah, I know, It was just a typo. I think I had the number 2 on my mind for some reason. lol
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#7 Postby Stormchaser16 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:02 pm

Haha yup, i normally would have not been so picky as to even make mention, but i gotta give credit to allen for being the hurricane with the longest lifespan at Cat5 heh
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#8 Postby USAwx1 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:08 pm

Stormchaser16 wrote:Haha yup, i normally would have not been so picky as to even make mention, but i gotta give credit to allen for being the hurricane with the longest lifespan at Cat5 heh


Its not about being picky, dude. I screwed up. lol

But, thanks for pointing out my mistake.
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#9 Postby Stormsfury » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:16 pm

USAwx1 wrote:
Stormchaser16 wrote:Great post.... and great trends to go by here!

One thing- Allen reached Cat 5 status 3 times during its lifespan, not only twice i believe


Yeah, I know, It was just a typo. I think I had the number 2 on my mind for some reason. lol


A run for the border, maybe? Soft Tacos at Taco Bell on Wednesdays are 49 cents ...

BTW, awesome post ...
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#10 Postby USAwx1 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:18 pm

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USAwx1 wrote:
Stormchaser16 wrote:Great post.... and great trends to go by here!

One thing- Allen reached Cat 5 status 3 times during its lifespan, not only twice i believe


Yeah, I know, It was just a typo. I think I had the number 2 on my mind for some reason. lol


A run for the border, maybe? Soft Tacos at Taco Bell on Wednesdays are 49 cents ...

BTW, awesome post ...


lol thanks
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#11 Postby Matthew5 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:19 pm

Thank you for posting this Amazing information for us Usawx! :)
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#12 Postby NC George » Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:40 am

USAwx1 wrote:
TropicalJon wrote:Very interesting post...quick question. Why wouldn't you include Andrew in 1992?


the Subtropical storm which occurred in APR of that year counts as the first actual Storm.


I have the same question here (why didn't you include Andrew?)

In the first post in this thread you mention something to the effect of: what happens when the "first named storm" goes CAT3+, etc. Well, there may have been a subtropical storm in April 1992, but it wasn't named, or else Andrew would have been begun with a B. So again, why did you throw out 1992?
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#13 Postby NC George » Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:57 am

Well, I did a quick look online to try to find the answer myself. Here's what I found:

1992 was the first year in which there was an April subtropical storm since record keeping began. After the season ended, it was decided to include subtropical storms in the naming system. The next year, Subtropical storm Ana formed, and turned into the first April Tropical Storm since records began being kept when the core shifted to warm. So Subtropical storm #1 of 1992 should have been named, but wasn't because they didn't decide to name these type storms until after the end of the 1992 season.
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#14 Postby HurricaneBill » Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:06 pm

I guess the decision to name subtropical storms caused a bit of controversy. People felt it would mess up the climatological data or something like that.

I don't think so because it seems subtropical storms usually acquire tropical characteristics and become tropical.

BTW, we all know tropical cyclones can become extratropical. But can an extratropical cyclone become tropical? If it can, I'm assuming it's a far event.
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#15 Postby HurricaneBill » Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:08 pm

NC George wrote:Well, I did a quick look online to try to find the answer myself. Here's what I found:

1992 was the first year in which there was an April subtropical storm since record keeping began. After the season ended, it was decided to include subtropical storms in the naming system. The next year, Subtropical storm Ana formed, and turned into the first April Tropical Storm since records began being kept when the core shifted to warm. So Subtropical storm #1 of 1992 should have been named, but wasn't because they didn't decide to name these type storms until after the end of the 1992 season.


Actually, I think the decision to name subtropical storms was made at the end of the 2001 season.
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#16 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:17 pm

ET cyclones become tropical all the time. It is not all that unusual. After all, Alex formed from a non-tropical surface trough and an upper low
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#17 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:20 pm

AWESOME WORK USA!!!!!Thanks!!!

Kinda scary in a way if the correlation verifies since it looks to be an active landfalling season. This is one time we may wish that verification doesn't happen!

I remember both Alma in 1966 and Alicia in 1983 as I went through both of those. And 1983 may have been a boring season for some but for those of us in Houston it was anything but!!!! :lol: :eek: :wink:

Keep up the awesome work!!!! Thanks again!
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#18 Postby yoda » Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:22 pm

Yes keep up the great work USA!!! Excellent Job!! This season is just beginning... :eek: :eek:
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#19 Postby Brent » Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:04 pm

Thanks for the information USAWX! 8-) :) :D
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#20 Postby USAwx1 » Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:08 pm

vbhoutex wrote:AWESOME WORK USA!!!!!Thanks!!!

Kinda scary in a way if the correlation verifies since it looks to be an active landfalling season. This is one time we may wish that verification doesn't happen!

I remember both Alma in 1966 and Alicia in 1983 as I went through both of those. And 1983 may have been a boring season for some but for those of us in Houston it was anything but!!!! :lol: :eek: :wink:

Keep up the awesome work!!!! Thanks again!


No problem. And thanks to all of you for the support.

1983 numbers-wise was a boring season, but for the Houston area--obviously not.

My analogs seem to suggest the TX gulf coast is under threat, followed by florida, and then North carolina (which has already verified).

of the 35 storms which made landfall somewhere in the US in the analog years, the majority location was the TX gulf coast.
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