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#21 Postby Hyperstorm » Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:40 pm

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Hyperstorm wrote:If NHC shifts the track to the right as expected, look at what this MONSTER might do. Strike South Florida as a Cat. 2 hurricane (conservative), regenerate off the coast of Cape Canaveral possibly becoming a Major Hurricane just before striking NC and head toward NEW ENGLAND as a Cat 1-2. This could be a POTENTIAL DISASTER IN THE MAKING.

This could be similar to DONNA, but with the only exception....this is the year 2004.......


Actually, more of a right shift may mean a weaker hurricane at landfall. Think Irene of 1999. Landfall could well be across the Keys into the southern Tip of Florida, maybe even more east. That means a longer crossing of Cuba over some pretty rugged terrain. It'll be hard to intensify over the mountains of Cuba, so it would likely emerge a TS. Fast movement toward south Florida wouldn't give it much time to strengthen.


It will depend on what area of Cuba does the "eye" cross over. If it's on the western part of the island, there might not be much weakening, especially if the system is moving at a pretty brisk pace.

In fact, it's very unusual for a tropical cyclone to weaken when it crosses the Cuban coastline. This has been proven over the years with many tropical systems. Case in point, I can mention to you Hurricane Lili in 1996. The system traversed Cuba from south to north with a determined central pressure and it exited the north coast with the exact central pressure. The most it can do normally is a halt in intensification.

Other than that temporary halt, the pattern is setting up for the system to SHOOT quickly northward into New England, rather than head out to sea to the Northeast.
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#22 Postby wxman57 » Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:34 pm

Agreed on depending upon the distance across Cuba where it crosses. I"ve noticed that if you step back and look at a long visible loop that it sure looks like it'll pass NORTH of Jamaica and possibly hit the southwestern tip of Cuba then move across a larger part of the island.
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#23 Postby rainstorm » Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:37 pm

you mean southeastern? here is one good thing. sst's are below normal off the se coast, which should limit any re-intensification:

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/OTI ... nomaly.gif
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#24 Postby wxman57 » Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:42 pm

rainstorm wrote:you mean southeastern? here is one good thing. sst's are below normal off the se coast, which should limit any re-intensification:

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/OTI ... nomaly.gif


No, I meant southwestern Cuba - that tip that juts out to the left at the base of Cuba.
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#25 Postby rainstorm » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:05 pm

umm, if it hits sw cuba it will hardly go over any of the island, and that is very flat anyqway
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#26 Postby Anonymous » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:07 pm

I am impressed by the poster Steve. He predicted "last Monday" that Bonnie would be making a trip to the eastern Gulf of Mexico. That is a WHOLE 8 days ago, when Bonnie wasn't even formed yet. Gotta give him his props! 8-)

Steve...are you a Met. or are you in school studying to be one? :?:

I went back and looked for your post (Last Monday) and for some reason, just couldn't come up with your post stating such a prediction. I am sure, that I am just overlooking something.

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#27 Postby Rainband » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:08 pm

I was really hopeful stevee was wrong :(
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#28 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:09 pm

Do you mean hitting SE Cuba? If it hits SW, it'll only be over land for a couple of hours (not that being over Cuba even matters as few storms have ever weakened while over Cuba and many have intensified)
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#29 Postby Rainband » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:10 pm

SE is more mountainous terrain vrs SW :wink:
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#30 Postby Brent » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:14 pm

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the peninsula that sticks out to the west in Eastern Cuba, west of Guantanmano.
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#31 Postby ColdFront77 » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:18 pm

Big EZ wrote:I am impressed by the poster Steve. He predicted "last Monday" that Bonnie would be making a trip to the eastern Gulf of Mexico. That is a WHOLE 8 days ago, when Bonnie wasn't even formed yet. Gotta give him his props! 8-)

Steve...are you a Met. or are you in school studying to be one? :?:

I went back and looked for your post (Last Monday) and for some reason, just couldn't come up with your post stating such a prediction. I am sure, that I am just overlooking something.

May the sun shine on you.


Here it is... in the "TD3 Projected Track may Change if TD2 Redevelops..." thread.....

Steve wrote:LOL. I guess this is one of those lessons for never-say-never, eh?

I'm going to have to disagree a little with the general consensus on this thread. I think Bonnie is an east Gulf threat and have said that since last Monday (and oh yeah Derecho, long before Joe B had anything on its end game ;) ). It's likely to move in ahead of a fairly strong cold front progged into the Gulf by Friday. Behind that front will be a fairly strong high pressure system pushing SEward. Depending on timing, I'd be willing to bet that whatever weakness shows up doesn't do much else than stall TD #3 if that. (It's possible it could draw it northward for a time.) But ultimately, the fate may lie at the hands of what Typhoon Rananim does. I've been watching that North then west turn put out by the JTWC. Their track moved a bit farther south (below Shanghai) today. That obviously correlates to a pretty strong ridge in the SE. And while I think it's way too early to even guess on what might be happening late next week, a shot for South Texas certainly isn't out of the question. We'll see.

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#32 Postby Steve » Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:32 pm

LOL Big EZ. Nah, I'm just another Big Easier who's been warned all his life about bad hurricanes are. My earliest memory of storms was Camille when my mom took us to bed with hurricane candles. I was scared, but she told me it would all be over by morning. Turns out we didn't get that much in the city, some downed limbs and leaves and loss of power. They tell me I got rescued in Betsy by an amphibious vehicle, but I was only one. My memory ain't that great. So as a kid and teenager, I'd always watch the weather during the tropical season to see what was on the horizon. Inevitably, whatever was always curved away or never came. I bought The Hurricane and its Impact (LSU Press), read that and learned a few things. Then I just made it a point to study the tropics as a hobby. I don't have all the technical knowledge. I just call 'em like I see 'em.

I couldn't find my original post about the Eastern Gulf. I did find something from last Thursday on CFHC

I had some thoughts on XTD2 when I first looked at it this morning. It reminded me a bit of 90L which I think was the wave that slowed down, split, helped spawn the rogue storm off the east coast and then continued on across the southern Gulf into Mexico. The difference was that the trof split was already in front of this particular system instead of meeting it halfway. Hostile conditions await, but if it can bust that trof split, the southern axis of the wave may well get a chance to crank near where >I< have it progged in Hank Frank's contest. What we're seeing today appears to be divergence based on the wave interacting with the eastern boundary of the trof. We're also seeing the wave split with some of the energy heading off NW while the southern energy progresses westward (albeit at its slowest rate so far). I think the Eastern Gulf may have to watch this one, and I'm sure all you guys down there will keep your eyes on it for the next several days.

And I did have this penned from Wed, Not thinking the TD #2 is going to organize anytime soon. Not thinking TD #2 is going to follow the 11am TPC charts and head north around the 72nd Parallel. Am thinking the system will be farther west (as per some of the tropical models) and more likely a menace to Central America as a wave than anything else. But that's the boring scenario. This is a challenge. I'm saying that in 70 hours, the center of whatever is there (or the mean wave axis) is around 19.2N and 82.3W and slowing down..

I had some older stuff up on 91L, but it's irrelevant.

And this is out there from Friday (S2K) This seems to be the strongest front this summer as far as weather effects in SE LA. Gut feeling from MONDAY (ref. whereever on the web I posted it) was that this was an Eastern Gulf potential development. No telling whether or not it will, but too many ingredients are there that one of these waves or fronts is going to activate. It's 8/6/04. Come back and tell me it's dead on the 10th or 11th.

Unfortunately I can't find the original call. Ugh - but hey, I tried :0

Peace

Steve
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#33 Postby Anonymous » Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:38 pm

Hey Steve...thanks for clearing it up. I really didn't have a clue as to your projection last Monday, as I did a search and nothing came up under your name as such from last Monday.

Nonetheless, you called a east Gulf threat at some time, beforehand.

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#34 Postby wxman57 » Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:50 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:Do you mean hitting SE Cuba? If it hits SW, it'll only be over land for a couple of hours (not that being over Cuba even matters as few storms have ever weakened while over Cuba and many have intensified)


Looks like I'm being misunderstood. By "SW Cuba", I'm talking about the western "point" along the flat "bottom" part of the eastern end of the island. So if Charley moved inland there, it would traverse much of the island length-wise.
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#35 Postby wxman57 » Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:50 pm

Brent wrote:I'm pretty sure he's referring to the peninsula that sticks out to the west in Eastern Cuba, west of Guantanmano.


Right you are, Brent!
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