Yet another humiliating failure for Accuweather....

[Derecho]

Had the storm forecasted into Cedar Key FL yesterday (saved the track map as evidence, Lord knows you probably can't find that track archived on AccuWeather anywhere.)

Wouldn't give them a hard time were it not for the inaccurate, smug, and NHC-slamming press release they issued after Claudette. Doubt we hear anything from them about Charley.

[WeatherEmperor]

I never read their reports anyways. Im not bashing them but who would rely on them for up to the minute hurricane forecasts anyways?

<RICKY>

[OtherHD]

Im not bashing them but who would rely on them for up to the minute hurricane forecasts anyways?

<RICKY>

You must not have met greatone.

[EDR1222]

I agree,

There is a local forecaster in Florida who uses Accuweather. They were off on this one the whole time as it neared the Florida Coast.

[Lindaloo]

Im not bashing them but who would rely on them for up to the minute hurricane forecasts anyways?

<RICKY>

You must not have met greatone.

[frankthetank]

this "greatone" you speak of, was he on "newshour with Jim Lehrer" tonite??? This man had the storm crossing florida and entering atlantic waters and then cruising up and smacking SC at a cat1/2 ....hmm. same guy said it was going into TX not that long ago..........

[Steve]

Bastardi didn't do too bad. He had his hits and misses with the storm. I don't use their free site and don't know what the quality is. But uh, for all that testosterone you pump on this forum, I don't recall you putting anything out there about your predictions, eh?

About the closest you came was yesterday at 3am, "Im thinking that the NHC track is too far east, because Charlie has still shown no indication of a NW turn." So did you have it going into Cedar Key? That NHC track wasn't exactly keyed on Captiva wtih that track now, was it? Check the archives .

LMAO. Weather weenies dogging other weather weenies. Pretty low class if you ask me. hahahaha

Steve

[HurricaneBill]

How much you wanna bet Greatone was saying this was a Category 5 at landfall and saying that it looked like one on satellite?

[Air Force Met]

Bastardi didn't do too bad. He had his hits and misses with the storm. I don't use their free site and don't know what the quality is. But uh, for all that testosterone you pump on this forum, I don't recall you putting anything out there about your predictions, eh?

About the closest you came was yesterday at 3am, "Im thinking that the NHC track is too far east, because Charlie has still shown no indication of a NW turn." So did you have it going into Cedar Key? That NHC track wasn't exactly keyed on Captiva wtih that track now, was it? Check the archives .

LMAO. Weather weenies dogging other weather weenies. Pretty low class if you ask me. hahahaha

Steve

I agree. It's pretty easy to knock a forecast when you don't put out one yourself. So...for the rest of the season...whenever Accuweather puts out their forecast for intensity and location...then so must everyone else...espcially if they want to knock 'em. So...agreed? New Rule? Can't dog a forecast unless you put one out yourself?

[Steve]

Great post AFM. Hindsight and armchair quarterbacking is always 20/20. I have no reason to defend Accuweather, though I will occasionally defend Bastardi if I think he's being unfairly criticized. If I disagree with something he says, I just send him an e-mail. Some people think they get street credit tearing down others, but they just show their true colors. In this case, Derecho's true colors were that the storm going in north of Tampa (per NHC advisory out at the time of his post) was too east.

Steve

[goodlife]

I not knocking nobody...nope nope nope....
I couldn't forecast a storm if my life depended on it!
Besides...mother nature doesn't intend for us to figure her out anyway!!

[Lindaloo]

Everyone here has GOT to admit that JB made a good intensity call on Alex.

[Scott_inVA]

I agree. It's pretty easy to knock a forecast when you don't put out one yourself. So...for the rest of the season...whenever Accuweather puts out their forecast for intensity and location...then so must everyone else...espcially if they want to knock 'em. So...agreed? New Rule? Can't dog a forecast unless you put one out yourself?

I'll agree to the extent it's easy to knock someone elses work while devoid of one's own, very true.

Not in agreement with the balance of your comment as few if any here charge for their product/service (God knows I don't).

Think last year we had the "Accu" argument. But, following your suggestion, I urge Accuweather to post specific coords/wind speed 4 times a day at identical intervals to those used by TPC. They also should provide progged wind speed out to 120 hours. They can put this side-by-side with TPCs and post incremental verification. If they can't/won't do that, I hope you'd agree with me that Accuweather stop the hatchet job on TPC/NHC. I doubt they'll do either and will continue generally vague easy-to-spin-out-of blah-blah while throwing the long knives at SW 17th St.

Scott

[Air Force Met]

Everyone here has GOT to admit that JB made a good intensity call on Alex.

I'll admit it. He nailed it. He missed Bonnie...but at one point...the NHC was calling for a hurricane at landfall too.

I think everyone here would also have to admit that he nailed the second landfall. He was talking about it crossing Florida and making landfall in the Carolinas long before the NHC had it moving back out over the water.

I guess only jabs are every offered...never any props. Goes toshow you that there are some who will never give you credit no matter what you do. Reminds me of politics.

[PTPatrick]

No blame should be laid...this one was just too close. I dont think at 8 yesterday morning anybody was thinking this thing would turn and beeline for Punta Gorda...not JB, not Accu, Not the TPC. The accuweather uses a cone of uncertainty just like NHC. As I said before, this is about the coast of FL and its shape. Pinpoints the landall on a hurricane moving parallel to the coast is next to impossible. If you turn FL more pependicular...this is actually a remarkable forecast...I mean really, almost every model was settled within about a 150 mile length of coast. To say anybody blew it is just plain goofy. We will never go, but I would suspect the accuracy they had given the track, and shap of the coast, would have been like calling the difference between a hit on Biloxi v. Mobile.

[stormcrow]

Like JB or hate him he called the west coast of Florida in June. If there is any blame it is to everyone for focussing on the worst case (Tampa Bay) to the point that some may have overlooked their own danger.

[x-y-no]

I'm not any kind of JB groupie, but I have to say I find his videos and writings worth the 15 bucks a month I fork over for them. I don't see the sense in criticizing someone for offering a service for a fee - that's the free market. No one is stopping anyone here from doing the same.

My only other comment would be that I've seen him express some criticsm of TPC/NHC, but I've also seen him give them a lot of credit. I don't think this is really as much of a pissing contest as it's sometimes made out to be.

IMO, more information and more open disussion is better. In that vein, I'm delighted to have discovered this place. This board is outstanding! Keep up the good work, everybody.

[Air Force Met]

IMO, more information and more open disussion is better. In that vein, I'm delighted to have discovered this place. This board is outstanding! Keep up the good work, everybody.

Meteorologists are a competitive group...and competition makes everyone better.

[Stephanie]

IMO, more information and more open disussion is better. In that vein, I'm delighted to have discovered this place. This board is outstanding! Keep up the good work, everybody.

Meteorologists are a competitive group...and competition makes everyone better.

It also provides a great learning environment for the non-pros.

Thanks x-y-no1 Glad to have you here!