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[caneman]

NO NO NO ... the original point of this thread is the fact that the meteeorologist in charge on that station (which does happen to be an Accuweather station) totally FAILED in what to expect for the Orlando area, even after seeing it was still a CAT 2 just hours away ... and was quick to blame the NHC for NOT moving fast enough ... talk about hypocrisy.

But anyway, here's my two cents ... (actually, I already stated them on the "My rant" thread ... but, here's the point of the thread ...

You have an Accuweather station (meteorologist) screaming that the NHC was too slow and to blame for people being offguard ... and other threads around being started about holding the NHC accountable ... for what? Getting a forecast window correct? Hurricane warnings not being issued soon enough? (see Donsutherland's thread ... HW's were up 29 HOURS before landfall ...)

And yet, Accuweather misses dreadfully a landfall forecast point of Cedar Key, AND this met says to expect 30-40 MPH winds ... and they want to scream about accountability?

That's just flat out hypocrisy .. period ...

SF

I gotcha. I didn't read as thoroughly as I should have as I'm still trying to get caught up on other things. My take is that a meteorologists should still their neck out and call it as they see it. Again Channel 9 - Super Job! Anyone know the name of that meteorologists?

[Stephanie]

Great post Mike!!!

[Scott_inVA]

"Terry and WKMG meteorologist Tom Sorrells agree that the Hurricane Center was slow with critical new information Friday.

"If you see the storm moving a different way than the official line, you owe it to your viewers to tell them," Sorrells said.

"They were late at the worst possible time," Terry said. "It's not the first time I've had to deal with some slow movement on their part."

WKMG is an AccuWeather station, and while I of course don't live in the Orlando area, I had multiple people tell me (at the time) on the day before landfall he was showing the AccuWeather track with a Cedar Key landfall and assuring viewers Orlando would suffer no effect from Charley at all.

Talk about Chutzpah.

Okay... I'm not in Florida but I understand how many broadcasters must spin wx busts...which I think Charley's C-4 turn must be classified as.

As a broadcaster, I am curious as to what WKMG told their audience from 10AM to 2PM on Friday.

Also as a 31-year broadcaster I can assure you it is professionally bush-league for a Met to on-record trash the VERY agency his audience relies on for critical WWAs.

Don't give a darn about Accuweather as their agenda is clear and overt. But for a Meteorologist to after-the-fact state publicly TPC/NHC was slow...and this isn't the first time is an atrocious and regrettable action that may well cost lives in the future.

Don't know the person, don't care; were I his GM this behind would be at the Florida Dept of Labor before the newsprint ink dried.

Scott
WREL Radio
Lexington, VA

[Rainband]

I agree Great Post Mike

[NorthGaWeather]

DT, I seem to recall Ed Rappaport on CNN about noon saying Charlotte Harbor was where landfall looked to occur. Now you may have something against the NHC which appears possible but in this case your flat out wrong. I'm sure you would be just like these guys and bash NHC.

Oh yea do you remember that NHC had Hurricane warnings up for the area.

well hopefully they would hang up on someone like you...
a CAT 4 hurricanes turns and head to Your area.... TPC does NOT pick up on the change course for 2-3 hours you go against TPC you turn out to be 100% right and you want to bash the TV station mets?

Steve I don't recall the NHC taking Charley into the big bend it was always somewhere from Ft. Myers to Tampa. Also does anybody have an e-mail or phone number to this station I will give these guys a piece of my mind about there bashing of NHC forecast.

[GalvestonDuck]

WKMG -- aren't they the same guys that had a reporter out there during the full-force of Charley, getting blown over and trying to avoid the flying mast of a once-tethered boat coming at him, with his cameraman down on his knees so he wouldn't get blown over?

[Guest]

SF I really have some problems with post and viewpoints...

I know what your point is and I think it is flat out WRONG Ill-informed and Based on poor understanding of how TV weather works .

YOU like so many here have this TPC vs Accuweather war going on here.

The TV Mets in Ft Myers who HAPPENED to get the graphics from Accuweather -- are NOT accu weather mets. The TV stations that have a deal with accuweather or any other pivate wx services can get SEVERAL layers of service.

In Philly the ABC affiliate WPVI TV 6 uses accu wx forecast compltely b/c the man TV wx clown there is named Dave Roberts... and knows NOTHING about wx.

These TV Mets in Ft Myers FL clearly are NOT in the category and for you to say that since Accu wx is STATE COLLEGE PA -- 1500 miles away -- picked Cedar Key has NO connection to what the TV Mets in SW FL did.

You engaging in SOPHISTRY using deceptive tactics to paint these TV mets who got it right and earlier than TPC as a bunch of hypocrites and clowns -- b/c accuw wx in state got it wrong.

NO NO NO ... the original point of this thread is the fact that the meteeorologist in charge on that station (which does happen to be an Accuweather station) totally FAILED in what to expect for the Orlando area, even after seeing it was still a CAT 2 just hours away ... and was quick to blame the NHC for NOT moving fast enough ... talk about hypocrisy.

But anyway, here's my two cents ... (actually, I already stated them on the "My rant" thread ... but, here's the point of the thread ...

You have an Accuweather station (meteorologist) screaming that the NHC was too slow and to blame for people being offguard ... and other threads around being started about holding the NHC accountable ... for what? Getting a forecast window correct? Hurricane warnings not being issued soon enough? (see Donsutherland's thread ... HW's were up 29 HOURS before landfall ...)

And yet, Accuweather misses dreadfully a landfall forecast point of Cedar Key, AND this met says to expect 30-40 MPH winds ... and they want to scream about accountability?

That's just flat out hypocrisy .. period ...

SF

[Lindaloo]

DT, there is no reason for you to attack the poster while stating your point. The other posters here have valid points too. Just because you say they are wrong, does not make them wrong.

[Guest]

I am a little PO that I am called a TPC basher... when I ahave demonstrated time and again that I am a TPC defender.

Just b/c I think they made a mistake does not mean I am Bashng them.

It seems clear to me that most folks defend TPC no matter what and others folks bash them no matter what.

DT, there is no reason for you to attack the poster while stating your point. The other posters here have valid points too. Just because you say they are wrong, does not make them wrong.

[Stephanie]

DT, there is no reason for you to attack the poster while stating your point. The other posters here have valid points too. Just because you say they are wrong, does not make them wrong.

Great post!

It sounds to me that regardless of whether this met/station is affiliated with AccuWeather, they used their graphics and perhaps their "forecast" as well. Or, if they created their forecast, they were obviously as off-base as AccuWeather.

Are you also then saying that AccuWeather shouldn't provide forecasts for hurricanes, etc. for areas 1500 miles away or more?

[vbhoutex]

DT, you couldn't be further from right if you tried in your response to SF. Reread the original post and then get back to us.

The Orlando mets he is talking about, not Ft. Myers, did get it wrong, plain and simple. They misinformed their viewers, while others that probably knew something about the weather got it right and told the others that indeed Orlando was going to get a big blow. TO GET IT WRONG AND BLAME TPC/NHC IS INDEED HYPOCRITICAL AND DANGEROUS ALSO, JUST AS SF POINTED OUT!

AS FAR AS YOU COMMENT ABOUT HIM BEING A WEATHER WEENIE YOU KNOW DAMN GOOD AND WELL HE ISN'T AND YOU OWE HIM AN APOLOGY ON THAT ONE! BE A MAN AND STEP UP AND ADMIT IT WHEN YOU ARE WRONG!!

[rbaker]

I can't speak for orlando wx man, but I know that the tpa bay area mets, were on 24 hrs from thurs, until sat. and after watching the radar that all 3 networks had, they saw about 1/2 hr of radar, when they decided that charley was coming toward the coast around ft myers, and not the tpa bay area where the charley was suppose to make landfall. In fact the tpc in the discussions before the infamous 1100am discussion, had only moved the strike point about 10 miles west or east in the three previous discussions that were put up. Therefore, we are talking about 18 hrs of the TPC up and including the 1100z discussion of still a TPA hit. If the met over there at channel 9 went out on a limb and immediately called a nne turn as soon as the 6 min loops, or his sweep of the beam saw a ne jog, well he was lucky, it was not a wobble. This does not count the northward jog that the hurricane took from s of Port Charlotte, that it made just before the center was going to make landfall.
Bottom line everyone in that warning area including where im at 75 miles north of tpa should have been ready.

[Lindaloo]

I am a little PO that I am called a TPC basher... when I ahave demonstrated time and again that I am a TPC defender.

Just b/c I think they made a mistake does not mean I am Bashng them.

It seems clear to me that most folks defend TPC no matter what and others folks bash them no matter what

Point noted. And the same goes for others who are bashing DT for his opinions. The rules apply to everyone.

I will say that all this blame game is getting quite old though.

[c5Camille]

Many Many Many "pro mets" are simply RTF (radio television and film) majors...

I'm Taking about the TV personalities...

Wanna-be Sportscasters/Anchors that have settled
on a met job... either for the time being or ended
up stuck there... that's a fact. Many "pro mets"
have nothing more than the AMA "seal of approval"
basic weather 101 with instructions on how to read
the NWS statements....

I'm not trying to overshadow the fact that there are
some FANTASTIC "pro mets" out there... but they
are few and far between... Fact!

[Stormsfury]

Dave, the point I'm getting across is simple ... I don't care about contracts, and Accuweather, and all the political BS that used as rhetoric to gain ratings ...

AND I KNOW you well enough that you are clearly NOT a TPC basher ... or an NWS basher ... and I'll go on record right here stating such ...

It's about a meteorologist bashing the TPC for not acting quickly enough when the right turn occurred AND the intensity ... (and IMHO, TPC did NOT have that vortex message when the advisory was written) ... and then turning around telling HIS viewers to expect 30-40 MPH winds when a CAT 2 was breathing down Orlando's backyard strikes a nerve with me ... and I wouldn't care WHO that person worked for ...

and that's my point ...

And as for Accuweather, I do have some issues with them, but that's NOT my point ... In all honesty, I think JB is really good with LR prognostics and pattern recognition ... and he offers POSSIBILITIES ... where I begin to have problems is people picking the scenario that fits the IMBY scenario ... but that's another issue, another time ...

SF

SF I really have some problems with post and viewpoints...

I know what your point is and I think it is flat out WRONG Ill-informed and Based on poor understanding of how TV weather works .

YOU like so many here have this TPC vs Accuweather war going on here.

The TV Mets in Ft Myers who HAPPENED to get the graphics from Accuweather -- are NOT accu weather mets. The TV stations that have a deal with accuweather or any other pivate wx services can get SEVERAL layers of service.

In Philly the ABC affiliate WPVI TV 6 uses accu wx forecast compltely b/c the man TV wx clown there is named Dave Roberts... and knows NOTHING about wx.

These TV Mets in Ft Myers FL clearly are NOT in the category and for you to say that since Accu wx is STATE COLLEGE PA -- 1500 miles away -- picked Cedar Key has NO connection to what the TV Mets in SW FL did.

You engaging in SOPHISTRY using deceptive tactics to paint these TV mets who got it right and earlier than TPC as a bunch of hypocrites and clowns -- b/c accuw wx in state got it wrong.

NO NO NO ... the original point of this thread is the fact that the meteeorologist in charge on that station (which does happen to be an Accuweather station) totally FAILED in what to expect for the Orlando area, even after seeing it was still a CAT 2 just hours away ... and was quick to blame the NHC for NOT moving fast enough ... talk about hypocrisy.

But anyway, here's my two cents ... (actually, I already stated them on the "My rant" thread ... but, here's the point of the thread ...

You have an Accuweather station (meteorologist) screaming that the NHC was too slow and to blame for people being offguard ... and other threads around being started about holding the NHC accountable ... for what? Getting a forecast window correct? Hurricane warnings not being issued soon enough? (see Donsutherland's thread ... HW's were up 29 HOURS before landfall ...)

And yet, Accuweather misses dreadfully a landfall forecast point of Cedar Key, AND this met says to expect 30-40 MPH winds ... and they want to scream about accountability?

That's just flat out hypocrisy .. period ...

SF

[Guest]

DT, you couldn't be further from right if you tried in your response to SF. Reread the original post and then get back to us.

The Orlando mets he is talking about, not Ft. Myers, did get it wrong, plain and simple. They misinformed their viewers, while others that probably knew something about the weather got it right and told the others that indeed Orlando was going to get a big blow. TO GET IT WRONG AND BLAME TPC/NHC IS INDEED HYPOCRITICAL AND DANGEROUS ALSO, JUST AS SF POINTED OUT!

AS FAR AS YOU COMMENT ABOUT HIM BEING A WEATHER WEENIE YOU KNOW DAMN GOOD AND WELL HE ISN'T AND YOU OWE HIM AN APOLOGY ON THAT ONE! BE A MAN AND STEP UP AND ADMIT IT WHEN YOU ARE WRONG!!

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Why (including moderators) are using such language when it is simply ones opinions. I don't get it. I am new here and if my opinions are subject criticism, then something is wrong here, seriously..

[Lindaloo]

Where do you see or read where ANY moderators are using "abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented language"?????

[Stormsfury]

Oh, and to also clarify ... why in the hell wasn't a lead forecaster on camera? ALL of the CHS TV weather anchors are qualified enough as meteorologists ... Rob Fowler, TV2, Tom Crawford (although, originally I believe a broadcast journalist, but has been doing weather now for 15 years, is the lead met on TV4 - which is an Accuweather Affiliate, but he's pretty good) ... and Bill Walsh, senior meterologist, TV5. Channel 2 and 5 all have trained meterologists, Channel 4 at least has a trained met ...

And ALL THREE of the mets did an EXCELLENT job covering Charley here ...

In Philly the ABC affiliate WPVI TV 6 uses accu wx forecast compltely b/c the man TV wx clown there is named Dave Roberts... and knows NOTHING about wx.

These TV Mets in Ft Myers FL clearly are NOT in the category and for you to say that since Accu wx is STATE COLLEGE PA -- 1500 miles away -- picked Cedar Key has NO connection to what the TV Mets in SW FL did.

[nsbgirl]

My opinion... the NHC after being critcized for causing massive and uneccessary evacuations for Floyd has just over corrected. Maybe the idea of erring on the side of caution would be a better approach. All CFL meterologists continued mis-predicting the movement of this storm even after it made landfall. Are they so proud that they can not admit that they might not know what exactly is going on. Storms are unpredictable...

On the upside... we have now educated a huge population base of the damage and upheaval even a distant landfall and a weakened hurricane can do. I have lived in New Smyrna Beach since 1976 and this was the worst storm I have evere experienced. I have learned a lot and my one hope is that everyone else has too.

PS... to all the people I was chatting with on Storm Chat. Was ready to log on and give a blow by blow but we lost power at 10PM Friday night... Charley was one hell of a ride.

[Stephanie]

Why (including moderators) are using such language when it is simply ones opinions. I don't get it. I am new here and if my opinions are subject criticism, then something is wrong here, seriously..

Gee, you sound just like a previously banned member, alxfamlaw...

If you took the time to actually READ the whole thread, you would've noticed that David was quoting DT.