Charley Advisories

[crazycajuncane]

Those photos are unbelievable. It amazes me how one house can be totally destroyed and the house next to it will be untouched.

Indeed it is amazing. I think that sometimes this is due to a tornado coming through also. Again I will allow someone with more knowledge to correct me here, but there are usually quite a few small tornadoes accompanying landfall hurricanes, especially to the right of the eye. I know during Alicia we had two confirmed tornadoes just in my neighborhood.

It was a lot to do with bursts of winds and pockets of extremely fast moving air. We live in a neighborhood with two streets, then a field on each side. The street facing the south got more damage during Lili, but our street was shielded by their street and got far less damage. It was weird going to the other street and seeing uprooted trees, but our street was almost untouched. I agree with the tornadoes as well, but it's mostly pockets of fast moving air and the way the houses are facing, what they are made of and just pure good luck

[JTD]

Charley formed in the eastern carribean, right? Or is that wrong.

So, thus, was it a cape verde storm anyway? Or was it just an EC storm.

Sorry for this stupid question. I know how stupid it does sound.

[Derek Ortt]

It depends upon your definition

If you use the definition of anything forming from a tropicla wave being a CV storm, then yes. Then again, using that definition, Mitch and Camielle were also CV storms, which I have not seen them classified as such.

Personally, I use the definition of a CV storm being a system that forms east of 40W and south of 20N (north of 20N are Canary Islands storms, which are usially of non-tropical nature, like Peter last year)

[JTD]

Thanks Derek.

[Guest]

I have two terms for CV storms, direct and indirect. In my category, Charley is an indirect, forming past half way through the atlantic. Isabelle was a direct CV storm, forming very close to the islands.

[Stormsfury]

I found this quite interesting....especially a couple of peak gusts recorded from the Punta Gorda area....173 mph (150 kt) atop Charlotte Medical Center and 160 mph (139 kt) at Charlotte County airport (with both anemometers destroyed...so even higher gusts likely occurred).

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=TBWPSHTBW

I wonder exactly what the height of the anemometers where off the ground ... the Airport MIGHT be (ironically) the more viable one, although, the wind gauge may be higher off the ground than the NWS standard. I always adjust downward to a degree when ANY anemometer is atop a rooftop (wind channels, wind funneling, etc.)

To quantify some thoughts, however, I don't doubt for one second that those PK wind gusts could have been achieved ...

First off, a rapidly intensifying storm (still ongoing, and in the process of starting an eyewall replacement cycle) ...

Second, MAX STSND WINDS of 145 mph ... on average GUSTS to 170 MPH can be expected ...

Very interesting findings ...

SF

[Derek Ortt]

Winds in Cuba MAY have been higher than origionally thought (though nothing confirmed yet. We may see some revisions to the intensity once the final best track is completed

[Matthew5]

Derek, what is the highest wind gust you know of in Florida out of Charley?

[Derek Ortt]

highest gust I have heard is 180 m.p.h.

[Brent]

IMO, no. If Charley was a CV storm, then so was Bonnie. I consider a CV system something that forms at least 500 miles east of the Islands like Fabian and Isabel.

[HurricaneBill]

highest gust I have heard is 180 m.p.h.

What about sustained?

[cape_escape]

SouthernWx, thank you for posting an answer to my question. I am new to all of this, but am very interested in learning anything and everything I can about the weather. I really believe this board has a lot to do with my family and I being safe during Charley, as I was glued to this board and took the warnings I read here to heart. Thank you all for being here!

[MWatkins]

IMO, no. If Charley was a CV storm, then so was Bonnie. I consider a CV system something that forms at least 500 miles east of the Islands like Fabian and Isabel.

Gonna hafta go against the grain here.

Charley was purely of tropical origin...developing from a westward moving tropical wave that maintained a distinct identity since propogating from the Africian coast.

Just because it did not develop east of some arbitrary number does not change that. So no question in my book that Charley = Cape Verde.

However...Bonnie is different. Although the same weather system that was TD2 became Bonnie...redevelopment was the result of some baroclinic interation and not a pure tropical type of development.

So although they both came from the same place...one maintained a distinct identity and one did not. So Bonnie does not make a Cape Verde classification IMHO...although the origins were somewhat connected.

MW

[cycloneye]

And dont forget Earl which came out of africa as a wave and developed east of the islands.

[rbaker]

i have to go with derek on this one a cape verde storm usually already is a td by the time it gets to 40 long or 50 for sure, and had a low pressure with it when it left africa. Also, typical cv storms form during the aug 15-sep15 time frame, which is why they call it the cape verde season, and makes the long trek over the atlantic.

[Brent]

IMO, no. If Charley was a CV storm, then so was Bonnie. I consider a CV system something that forms at least 500 miles east of the Islands like Fabian and Isabel.

Gonna hafta go against the grain here.

Charley was purely of tropical origin...developing from a westward moving tropical wave that maintained a distinct identity since propogating from the Africian coast.

Just because it did not develop east of some arbitrary number does not change that. So no question in my book that Charley = Cape Verde.

However...Bonnie is different. Although the same weather system that was TD2 became Bonnie...redevelopment was the result of some baroclinic interation and not a pure tropical type of development.

So although they both came from the same place...one maintained a distinct identity and one did not. So Bonnie does not make a Cape Verde classification IMHO...although the origins were somewhat connected.

MW

That makes sense. I just don't think Charley was a CV storm.

[vacanechaser]

IMO, no. If Charley was a CV storm, then so was Bonnie. I consider a CV system something that forms at least 500 miles east of the Islands like Fabian and Isabel.

Gonna hafta go against the grain here.

Charley was purely of tropical origin...developing from a westward moving tropical wave that maintained a distinct identity since propogating from the Africian coast.

Just because it did not develop east of some arbitrary number does not change that. So no question in my book that Charley = Cape Verde.

However...Bonnie is different. Although the same weather system that was TD2 became Bonnie...redevelopment was the result of some baroclinic interation and not a pure tropical type of development.

So although they both came from the same place...one maintained a distinct identity and one did not. So Bonnie does not make a Cape Verde classification IMHO...although the origins were somewhat connected.

MW

I would have to agree with you Mike.. Charley and Bonnie were both storms of Cape Verde origin.. We followed them for sometime.. Maybe not a true "Cape Verde" storm but certainly Cape Verde origin...

[chadtm80]

Tampa Bay's channel 10 news reports that 27 prisoners have failed to return to the Pinellas County jail, after being released prior to the the arrival of hurricane Charlie.
They were told to return in four days, and some have not made it back as yet.
Some nasty-looking mug shots of the missing people are here:

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=9615

Uhhhhh.. Is this normal practice? Release prisoners when a storm is coming? lol

[Guest]

lol what a stupid decision on the part of the authorities.

[Thunder44]

They should not let imates that have committed violent crimes on the loose. They should of just find them a safer place to evacuate them too. This is just stupid.