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#21 Postby southerngale » Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:05 pm

wannabehippie wrote:you didnt answer my question southergale. did rush play the entire clinton speech or did he only play that quote?
and lets face it the bush administration also said it would be over very quickly. "weeks not months"


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If he played the entire speech, I missed it. It doesn't matter though. How can you distort this??

Quote: "This war is going to be over in a flash, so we can wait to do that. I mean you can always kill somebody next week. You can't bring 'em back next week..."

THIS WAR IS GOING TO BE OVER IN A FLASH

Straight from his mouth...so does that REALLY mean over in a few months??? Come on hippie!


And by the way, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the war has only been going on for 10 days! We're not even at WEEKS yet, much less MONTHS!!
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#22 Postby wannabehippie » Sat Mar 29, 2003 11:36 pm

chadtm80 wrote:does it matter what he said before or after that? What could he have said that would of made the statement mean anything else other than what it says?


it totally makes a difference chadtm.
taking a quote out of contex can competely change the meaning. he very well may have clarified further what he meant by being over in a flash.

and IMO being over in a flash means a war that would last only a few weeks, much like what the white house themselves said.

and streetsoldier i am contiually mystified as to why you seem to see me as an enemy and one to be hated.

is everyone who disagrees with you an enemy?


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#23 Postby wx247 » Sun Mar 30, 2003 1:46 am

Well...here is my two cents worth... if they matter :roll:

OBVIOUSLY...we all have our own political opinions. These opinions can lead to great discussions, but I think we are all blinded by our beliefs that we can't see the other side a lot of the time.

Clinton was not a BAD president and neither is Bush. Both have/has strengths and both have/had their weaknesses.

Let's not get personal here PUHLEEZE!! Hippie...you are one the few very vocal liberal voices on this mb. I think you add a great flare to the board. We need both sides to an argument, or else our thoughts go unchallenged and we may never realize that there are 2 sides.

I hope everyone reads this and takes a time out before bashing the other side so much. Look objectively and you will see positives and negatives on both sides. If you can't, than you are obviously biased beyond recognition that good can come, even from an enemy.
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#24 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:30 am

No, david, everyone who disagrees with me is NOT an enemy...but you'll do, for the time being(j/k). :wink:

Or more to the point (from a favorite movie)...

"You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. See me again when you are worthy." - Adamar, Comte d'Anjou, from A Knight's Tale

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#25 Postby Stephanie » Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:17 pm

So, I guess it's Clinton's fault that the length of war was going to short were wrong?

Sure, of course it is...
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#26 Postby Stephanie » Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:20 pm

streetsoldier wrote:man, it's amazing how blinded by liberalism and your hatred for Bush...etc., etc.

and you forgot that, under clinton, was monica lewinsky..'.nuff said.

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...and that's about it too. Oh yes, about $40 million of my tax money thrown down the toilet.

I guess we had to stoop to picking on Clinton - can't pick on anyone else!
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#27 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:29 pm

Now, now, Stephanie, don't feel left out...I'm an "equal-opportunity" basher! LOL :wink:
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#28 Postby Stephanie » Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:48 pm

I don't feel left out Bill...I've been right in the middle of it myself! :wink:
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#29 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Mar 30, 2003 1:54 pm

Well, I try to offer my opinions regardless of race, creed, color, national origins, sexual preference, political affiliation or various stages of personal hygiene, Stephanie.

Sometimes, though, a post or two will lay the poster "wide open"..and I just can't let the BS "go" unanswered. Nothing personal...just my own way of "doing business".

Look around, and you will see that none are spared when it comes to misinformation, clarification, or variations on any particular theme...I have my viewpoint, too, and am unabashed in presenting it.
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#30 Postby Stephanie » Sun Mar 30, 2003 2:11 pm

Yes you do have your viewpoint Bill. All I was saying is that I know I've been "a victim" (j/k) of your replies too, but I know that it is not always directly at one specific person with a specific belief. The tendency will be there for you ( and me) to direct our opinions more so at those that we disagree with - that's just how it is.
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#31 Postby southerngale » Sun Mar 30, 2003 2:49 pm

wx247 wrote:Funny you say no one in the administration did:

Dick Cheney on Meet The Press:
"This war will take weeks, not months..."

Hmmm... :roll:


I specifically remember Bush using the term "weeks, not months" but it was referring to how long Saddam had to comply to the UN resolution, not how long the war would last!

In addition, I have read and re-read the entire transcript from Dick Cheney's appearance on Meet the Press. The quote you attribute to him is nowhere in the transcript. Not only does it not appear in those words, but it does not appear in any other words that even reflect the same meaning. He does not in any time discuss the anticipated length of the war. I would sure like to know where you got your quote from because unless I am blind as a bat, it ain't here!

Here's the link if anyone wants to read for themselves:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/886068.asp
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#32 Postby Stephanie » Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:34 pm

To be fair Southerngale...I read the transcript and I didn't see it either.
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#33 Postby southerngale » Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:44 pm

Stephanie wrote:To be fair Southerngale...I read the transcript and I didn't see it either.


Thank you. I actually read it twice because I thought I must be blind! :wink:
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#34 Postby chadtm80 » Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:45 pm

I read it as well... Nada
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#35 Postby wx247 » Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:46 pm

I concede that I was wrong in the direct quote from Dick Cheney. I was duped into thinking that Cheney had actually said this from watching television and hearing the commentators discussing these things.

I apologize if I led people astray...I should have went straight to the source as well.
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#36 Postby wx247 » Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:50 pm

But here is an interview with Cheney the same day on Face The Nation on CBS.

SCHIEFFER: If we do have to take action, do you think it will be a long war or a short war?

CHENEY: My own judgment based on my time as secretary of Defense, and having operated in this area in the past, I'm confident that our troops will be successful, and I think it'll go relatively quickly, but we can't...

SCHIEFFER: Weeks?

CHENEY: ...we can't count on that.

SCHIEFFER: Months?

CHENEY: Weeks rather than months. There's always the possibility of complications that you can't anticipate, but I have great confidence in our troops. The men and women who serve in our military today are superb. Our capabilities as a force are the finest the world has ever known.
They're very ably led by General Tommy Franks and Secretary Rumsfeld. And so I have great confidence in the conduct of the military campaign.
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#37 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:18 pm

Well, another "expert" (and I wish I'd gotten the name) on FoxNews is estimating a six-week "big show", with mop-ups and a rash of suicide attacks coming for months ahead, no timetable on these last.

In Umm Kasr, the people are already spray-painting "Death to Saddam" on walls around the port city...and we have another carrier coming in to play within the week, more Australians, Czechs, Slovaks and the rest of the U.S. 4ID...you do the math.
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#38 Postby southerngale » Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:20 pm

wx247 wrote:But here is an interview with Cheney the same day on Face The Nation on CBS.

SCHIEFFER: If we do have to take action, do you think it will be a long war or a short war?

CHENEY: My own judgment based on my time as secretary of Defense, and having operated in this area in the past, I'm confident that our troops will be successful, and I think it'll go relatively quickly, but we can't...

SCHIEFFER: Weeks?

CHENEY: ...we can't count on that.

SCHIEFFER: Months?

CHENEY: Weeks rather than months. There's always the possibility of complications that you can't anticipate, but I have great confidence in our troops. The men and women who serve in our military today are superb. Our capabilities as a force are the finest the world has ever known.
They're very ably led by General Tommy Franks and Secretary Rumsfeld. And so I have great confidence in the conduct of the military campaign.


I'm glad you found this. Perfect example of media exaggeration. When asked if it would take weeks, he said that you can't count on that. When given the choice between weeks or months, he chose weeks directly expressing great confidence in our troops, but "There's always the possibility of complications that you can't anticipate, but I have great confidence in our troops."

If this is supposed to be the direct quote the media is using to indicate a definite timetable, they failed miserably. Nothing in here indicates a prediction of a short, fast, easy war. In fact, just the reverse. He makes it very clear that complications can arise and there's no way to exactly predict how long this war will last.
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#39 Postby wx247 » Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:25 pm

I see what you mean. And I didn't expect this war to be quick, but I have a feeling a lot of people did...Democrats and Republicans both.
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#40 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:30 pm

Having been on the ground deep "in country" as I was, I never take ANYTHING for granted; especially the intentions and/or differentiation between enemy civilian and military populations.

I predicted a longer haul than many, even in here...and I am VERY happy with our coalition's progress, 11 days in.
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