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Frances #10 very confident South NC to North GA Labor Day

#2221 Postby ncweatherwizard » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:02 am

http://www.nencweather.com/tropicalweat ... ances.html

Good morning folks. Finally things start to pan out like they ought to...of course everybody needs to keep an eye on it here because nothing has actually happened yet, but this is very doubtfully a model flop; this will be a trend most likely--the incoming trough is rather obvious, and has been actually for a couple of days--it's really a matter of forward speed of the hurricane (FL would be under the gun if Frances moved faster than forecsat). If I were along the South Carolina coast, I would be preparing more right now than I would if I were in Florida (but this is because I hate spending money :D )
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#2222 Postby baygirl_1 » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:08 am

Msbee--
It's always best to err on the side of caution. If you are considering boarding up, then go ahead and do it while you have time to do so. Sounds like y'all may be having at least tropical storm force winds. If it would ease some of your worries, then board up. Do everything you can to make yourself as safe as possible.
Take care.
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#2223 Postby schmita » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:10 am

Good Morning Barbara,
Paper is projecting 50 mph winds and 4 inches of rain.
I have shutters so I will lock up. You up on the hill? Don't know. I think we will get hurricane force winds. She is very close to us.
Later
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#2224 Postby Thunder44 » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:18 am

You are still talking about storm more than 5 days away from hitting land. I would be just as prepared in Florida as in SC. Long-range forecasts have very large errors, in track and intensity and it not wise to fall back on preparation plans because the models say this and that now.
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Statement from NWS San Juan about effects in Puerto Rico

#2225 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:21 am

REQUESTED
HURRICANE FRANCES LOCAL STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
600 AM AST MON AUG 30 2004

...FRANCES CONTINUING WESTWARD AS A CATEGORY THREE HURRICANE...

...WATCHES/ADVISORIES...
A HURRICANE WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE NORTHERN U.S. VIRGIN
ISLANDS...INCLUDING ST THOMAS...ST JOHN AND THE ADJACENT ISLANDS...
AND FOR THE ISLANDS OF CULEBRA AND VIEQUES...PUERTO RICO. A
HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN
36 HOURS OR LESS. A HURRICANE WATCH MAY BE REQUIRED FOR PUERTO RICO
LATER TODAY. A HIGH SURF ADVISORY AND A COASTAL FLOOD WATCH HAVE
BEEN ISSUED FOR THE NORTH THROUGH EAST COASTS OF ST CROIX THROUGH
TONIGHT. A COASTAL FLOOD WATCH HAS ALSO BEEN ISSUED FOR THE
NORTHWEST THROUGH NORTHEAST COASTS OF PUERTO RICO...FROM RINCON
NORTHEAST AND EAST THROUGH CEIBA...FOR THE NORTHWEST THROUGH
NORTHEAST COASTS OF CULEBRA AND VIEQUES...AND FOR THE NORTHWEST
THROUGH NORTHEAST COASTS OF ST THOMAS...ST JOHN AND THE ADJACENT
SMALLER ISLANDS...FOR TUESDAY.

...AREA AFFECTED...
THIS STATEMENT RECOMMENDS ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN BY RESIDENTS AND
VISITORS OF ST THOMAS...ST JOHN...AND THE ADJACENT ISLANDS AND
CULEBRA AND VIEQUES.

...PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF THE NORTHERN U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS...AND
CULEBRA AND VIEQUES SHOULD BEGIN TO MAKE PREPARATIONS FOR POSSIBLE
HURRICANE CONDITIONS TUESDAY MORNING. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS
BASED ON THE LATEST TROPICAL CYCLONE FORECAST FROM THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER IN MIAMI. FUTURE FORECASTS AND CONDITIONS MAY
CHANGE CONSIDERABLY AS THIS WEATHER SCENARIO EVOLVES.

...STORM INFORMATION...
AT 5 AM AST...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE FRANCES WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 19.0 NORTH...LONGITUDE 57.3 WEST...OR ABOUT...500 MILES
EAST NORTHEAST OF ST THOMAS...OR ABOUT 525 MILES EAST NORTHEAST OF
CULEBRA AND VIEQUES.

FRANCES WAS MOVING WEST AT NEAR 10 MPH...AND THIS MOTION IS EXPECTED
TO CONTINUE WITH SOME INCREASE IN FORWARD SPEED TODAY.

REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT
INDICATE THAT THE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE DECREASED TO NEAR
120 MPH...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. HOWEVER...SOME STRENGTHENING IS
POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 85 MILES...140 KM...FROM
THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 125
MILES...205 KM.

THE LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY THE HURRICANE HUNTER
IS 958 MB...28.29 INCHES.

...WIND IMPACTS...
WINDS WILL START TO INCREASE ACROSS THE NORTHERN U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS
AND CULEBRA TONIGHT...REACHING TROPICAL STORM INTENSITY...AND SPREAD
ACROSS ST THOMAS...ST JOHN AND CULEBRA BY AROUND SUNRISE TUESDAY
MORNING. THESE SUSTAINED TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO
IMPACT THE NORTHERN U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS AND CULEBRA THROUGH TUESDAY
AFTERNOON...AND ANY DEVIATION TO THE LEFT OF THE CURRENT FORECAST
FOR FRANCES COULD BRING HURRICANE CONDITIONS ACROSS THESE ISLANDS
DURING THIS TIME.

...MARINE IMPACTS...
MODERATE EAST NORTHEAST SWELLS GENERATED FROM FRANCES WILL BEGIN TO
MOVE INTO THE ANEGADA PASSAGE...THE LOCAL EASTERN CARIBBEAN
WATERS...AND THE OFF SHORE ATLANTIC WATERS THIS AFTERNOON...AND
INCREASE TO 6 FEET AND GREATER TONIGHT. THEN THROUGH TUESDAY...THE
SOUTHWEST AND SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF FRANCES WILL MOVE ACROSS THE
EXTREME NORTHERN ANEGADA PASSAGE AND THEN ACROSS THE LOCAL OFF SHORE
ATLANTIC WATERS TUESDAY AFTERNOON AND NIGHT...BRINGING TROPICAL
STORM FORCE WINDS...WITH GUSTS TO HURRICANE STRENGTH...AND SEAS TO
12 FEET ACROSS THESE MARINE AREAS. SURF AND TIDES WILL BEGIN TO
INCREASE ACROSS THE NORTH AND EAST COASTS OF ST CROIX AND THE EAST
AND SOUTH COASTS OF THE REMAINING U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS LATER TODAY.
AS FRANCES PASSES TO THE NORTH ON TUESDAY...VERY LARGE AND POWERFUL
NORTHEAST THEN NORTH SWELLS WILL AFFECT THE LOCAL ATLANTIC
COASTLINES...CREATING VERY HIGH AND DANGEROUS SURF OF 12 TO 20 FEET.
SMALL CRAFT IN THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS...CULEBRA AND VIEQUES SHOULD
PLAN TO RETURN TO SAFE HARBOR BY THIS AFTERNOON AND REMAIN IN PORT
THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING.

...RAINFALL AND FLASH FLOOD POTENTIAL...
SHOWERS...SQUALLS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SOUTHERN
HALF OF HURRICANE FRANCES ARE EXPECTED TO BEGIN LATE THIS AFTERNOON
ACROSS THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS...AND OVER CULEBRA AND VIEQUES LATER
THIS EVENING...AND THEN BECOME MORE FREQUENT AND NUMEROUS THROUGH
TUESDAY. LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS AND LANDSLIDES ARE POSSIBLE LATE
TONIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT AS THE CENTER OF FRANCES MOVES JUST
NORTH OF THE LOCAL ISLANDS.

RAINFALL TOTALS OF THREE TO SIX INCHES ARE POSSIBLE ACROSS THE AREA
BEGINNING LATE THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH WEDNESDAY...WITH LOCALLY
HIGHER AMOUNTS ACROSS THE INTERIOR AND MOUNTAINOUS SECTIONS OF THE
LOCAL ISLANDS. RAPID RIVER AND STREAM RISES COULD OCCUR WITH SOME
RIVERS EXCEEDING BANKFULL.

THE NEXT HURRICANE LOCAL STATEMENT WILL BE ISSUED BY AROUND 9:00 AM
BY YOUR NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECAST OFFICE IN SAN JUAN.

BCS

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON HURRICANE FRANCES CAN BE FOUND IN THE
NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER TROPICAL CYCLONE PRODUCTS AND TROPICAL
CYCLONE MARINE ADVISORIES.

...OR VISIT THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PUERTO RICO AND U.S. VIRGIN
ISLANDS WEBSITE ON THE INTERNET AT (ALL LOWERCASE LETTERS).

HTTP://WWW.SRH.NOAA.GOV/SJU

For those here who may be worried about me well I am prepared for this and I will be fine hopefully it not turns more than what is forecasted.
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#2226 Postby cane_weary » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:22 am

ncweatherwizard

thanks for the info, frances will need close watching for the next couple
of days for us up this way so we will have time to prepare if need be.
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#2227 Postby Cyclone Runner » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:29 am

Cycloneye

Why are the Puerto Rico hurricane watches showing up on the IWIN pages

http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/us/hurricane.html

but not on the official NOAA Puert Rico Alert pages

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/alerts/pr.html

Only the Flood Watch is showing up there??
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#2228 Postby cape_escape » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:29 am

Our local forecaster here says that he really doesn't see Frances as a South Florida problem, but that we will keep a close eye on it anyhow. I know this thing is pretty far out, but is there still any chance that it could get into the Gulf by way of either passing the Keys or through Florida?
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#2229 Postby bigmike » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:31 am

it would appear the nhc says place this model on the trash heap of model forecasting. :P
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#2230 Postby Scott_inVA » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:31 am

Jevo wrote:Holy Crap.....

With all of the -removed- going on with this storm the only forecast im going to listen to from here on in is somebody in Nebraska...

I revert back to yesterday's model output

http://www.tropicwatch.com/newmod.htm


The Pauk model seems to poorly initialize Frances as it spends WAY too little time tearing up New England :D

Scott
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#2231 Postby msbee » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:39 am

just talked to my husband.
he is moving the boat this morning and we will board up the East facing windows anyway.
I have a hill behind me to my West so I should be ok there.
They currently are only forecasting tropical storm force winds for St. Maarten but schmita and I think that CAT 1 winds are more than possible for the island.
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#2232 Postby msbee » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:41 am

I hope this storm passes well North of the islands and only brings us all tropical storm winds and nothing stronger.
Please keep posting any information any of you have. there are only a few of us islanders here on the board and we need to keep the information flowing
thanks
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Latest Tropical Storm Warning From Antigua Met Office

#2233 Postby Cyclone Runner » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:44 am

 

                 GOVERNMENT OF ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA


Meteorological Services

V. C. Bird International Airport

P.O. Box 1051

St. John’s, ANTIGUA W.I.

Telephone: (268) 462-3229; 462-3017; 462-0930

Fax: (268) 462-4606  Email: metoffice@candw.ag

Hotline: 463-4-MET

5 AM MONDAY 30TH AUGUST 2004



 ......FRANCES CONTINUING WESTWARD AS A CATEGORY THREE HURRICANE...
 
A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE FOLLOWING LEEWARD
ISLANDS BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS...ANTIGUA...BARBUDA...ST MAARTEN...
ANGUILLA...NEVIS...ST KITTS...ST EUSTATIUS AND SABA.  ST MARTIN AND
ST BARTHELEMY MAY ALSO BE THREATENED.  A TROPICAL STORM WARNING
MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE
WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS.  A HURRICANE WATCH MAY BE
REQUIRED FOR SOME OF THESE ISLANDS LATER TODAY.
 
A HURRICANE WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE BRITISH AND NORTHERN
U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS INCLUDING ST THOMAS...ST JOHN AND SURROUNDING
ISLANDS...ALSO FOR THE ISLANDS OF CULEBRA AND VIEQUES.   A
HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN
THE WATCH AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 36 HOURS.  A HURRICANE WATCH MAY
BE REQUIRED FOR PUERTO RICO LATER TODAY.
 

AT 5 AM AST...0900Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE FRANCES WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 19.0 NORTH...LONGITUDE  57.3 WEST OR ABOUT  385
MILES... 620 KM...EAST OF THE NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS.
 
FRANCES IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 10 MPH...17 KM/HR...AND THIS
MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE WITH SOME INCREASE IN FORWARD SPEED
TODAY.
 
REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATE
THAT MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE DECREASED TO NEAR 120 MPH...195
KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS.  HOWEVER...SOME STRENGTHENING IS
POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
 
HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO  85 MILES...140 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 125 MILES...205 KM.
 
THE LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY THE HURRICANE HUNTER
IS  958 MB...28.29 INCHES.
 
REPEATING THE 5 AM AST POSITION...19.0 N... 57.3 W.  MOVEMENT
TOWARD...WEST NEAR 10 MPH.  MAXIMUM SUSTAINED
WINDS...120 MPH.  MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 958 MB.
 
FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.
 
AN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER AT 8 AM AST FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT
COMPLETE ADVISORY AT 11 AM AST.
 

LATEST INFORMATION RECEIVED BY THE METEOROLOGICAL DEPARTMENT SUGGESTS THAT FRANCES CONTINUES ON ITS PREVIOUS WESTWARD TRACK IS NOW EXPECTED TO PASS 135 MILES NORTH OF ANTIGUA AND 110 NORTH OF BARBUDA BEFORE DAWN TUESDAY. THIS DISTANCE PUTS ALL OF THE LEEWARD AND BRITISH ISLANDS OUT OF THE ZONE OF HURRICANE CONDITIONS BUT THE LATEST RECON REPORTS SUGGESTS TROPICAL STORM WINDS OF 39 TO 49 MPH  ARE A REAL POSSIBILITY FOR ANTIGUA& BARBUDA AND ST.KITTS AND NEVIS BY MONDAY AFTERNOON AND ANGUILLA BY MONDAY EVENING.

SPIRAL BANDS ASSOCIATED WITH FRANCES COULD ALSO CREATE CLOUDY CONDITIONS TO THE ENTIRE NORTHEAST CARIBBEAN ACCOMPANIED WITH HEAVY SHOWERS, THUNDERSTORMS AND MINIMAL TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS  AT TIMES.  FLASH FLOODING IN LOW LYING AREAS IS ALSO POSSIBLE. 

SEA CONDITIONS ARE ALREADY DETERIORATING, AND SWELLS COULD REACH AS HIGH AS 12 FEET HENCE, SMALL CRAFTS OPERATORS SHOULD REMAIN IN PORT AND SEEK SAFE ANCHORAGE WHERE POSSIBLE . 

HURRICANE FRANCES REMAINS A VERY DANGEROUS HURRICANE. THEREFORE; IT IS IMPORTANT TO STRESS THAT ANY FURTHER DRIFT TO THE LEFT OF THE FORECAST TRACK INCREASES THE DANGER TO THE ISLANDS. THEREFORE ALL RESIDENTS ACROSS THE NORTHEAST CARIBBEAN SHOULD CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.

TROPICAL WATCH MEANS THAT WINDS OF 39 TO 73 MPH . FOR OUR AREA WE EXPECT WINDS OF 39 TO 45 MPH WITH HIGHER GUST.

AS WE HAVE NOW ISSUED A TROPICAL STORM WATCH, THE FOLLOWING PRECAUTIONS ARE ADVISED AND THE TIME FRAME  FOR CLEAR AND SAFE PREPARATIONS IS FROM NOW UNTILL 3 PM TODAY.

MORE TIME MAY BE AVAILABLE AFTER 3 PM BUT THIS IS DIFFICULT TO DETERMINED AT THIS TIME.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE PRECAUTIONS ADVISED.

SHUTTERS- THESE ARE DEEMED NECESSARY ONLY FOR HURRICANE CONDITIONS/ SINCE WE EXPECT ONLY TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS SHUTTERS ARE NOT GENERALLY ADVISED FOR SOUND BUILDINGS.

HOWEVER EACH PROPERTY OWNER WILL KNOW BEST THEIR STRUCTURE AND SHOULD ACT ACCORDINGLY.

RAINFALL OF 1 TO 3 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE

FLASHFLOODS - POSSIBLE OVERNIGHT

LOOSE OBJECTS- THIS COULD BE A PROBLEM AND SHOULD BE SECURED.

SEAS- 9 TO 12 FT AND SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT

 

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE METEOROLOGICAL OFFICE AT 12 PM TODAY MONDAY.
 

FORECASTER

PATRICK CHRISTIAN

 

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http://www.afap.org/apcedi/

 
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#2234 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:47 am

this page may be somewhat slow to load (at least slower than the forecast pages)

<b>Remember, anything contained in these storm updates does not supercede anything given by local emergency management officials </b>
http://www.nwhhc.com/atl062004.html
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#2235 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:51 am

Cyclone Runner wrote:Cycloneye

Why are the Puerto Rico hurricane watches showing up on the IWIN pages

http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/us/hurricane.html

but not on the official NOAA Puert Rico Alert pages

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/alerts/pr.html

Only the Flood Watch is showing up there??


Good question Cyclone I dont know.
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#2236 Postby Cyclone Runner » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:59 am

Update from Anguilla 
Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:54:38 -0400

Beautiful morning here - some clouds in the east and a NE breeze of 6 - 10, but nice.

The trend for Frances is not good, and it's time to take some precautions.  I'm going to put out my storm anchors on the boat, and store all my outside "stuff" that can blown around.  No storm shutters or taking down the satellite dish yet, but may consider that later on.

The "closest point of approach" continues to get worse.  As of 5:00 AM today:

28/08 - 11:00 AM - 193 NM

28/08 - 5:00 PM - 184 NM

29/08 - 5:00 AM - 152 NM

29/08 - 11:00 AM - 146 NM

29/08 -  5:00 PM - 136 NM

29/08 - 11:00 PM - 117.2 NM

30/08 - 5:00 AM - 109.8 NM

Based on the latest reports, I'm going to say we will get W to NW winds in the 35 - 50 knot range.  Right now, the NWS says 50 knot winds to the SW-S-SE out to 75 MI., and 34 knot winds out 110 miles.  So I would look at maybe some gusts in the 40's, maybe reaching 50 knots.  Nothing we really haven't had before - but could blow some things around.  Rain bands look pretty heavy, so we should get some much needed rain.  There are 12 foot seas out 150 miles, so there will be some pretty rough surf, especially on the north beaches.  I would expect Shoal, Meads, Crocus and Barnes to be pretty hard hit with the combined wave/wind action.  The W-NW winds will turn any boats 180 degrees on their moorings in Road Bay, and could cause a mess.

Off to check Road Bay/Blowing Point and some of the hotels to see what's happening.  For those who have not seen it, here is the latest report from Anguilla's "unofficial" weatherman, Roy Peacock in the UK:

I do think TS winds, possibly low hurricane winds (although I doubt it) as Frances looks like she is strengthening again.  I do expect a Hurricane watch for Anguilla later today – possibly by the 11am update. I would put it at 19.2N 57.8W currently and think its back into cat 4 territory. Wind direction obviously coming in from the NW. Quite a high storm surge on the north coast and I think Shoal Bay is going to be a bit of a mess with the waves taking out the reef again but could be a lot worse!

Let's see what happens with the 11:00 AM update (the 8:00 AM intermediate won't really tell us much except if it is moving north).
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#2237 Postby Derecho » Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:03 am

Cyclone Runner wrote:Update from Anguilla 
Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:54:38 -0400

Beautiful morning here - some clouds in the east and a NE breeze of 6 - 10, but nice.

The trend for Frances is not good


Frances gained quite a bit of latitude overnight...

It's clearly not moving due W. The trend is actually pretty good for you.
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#2238 Postby msbee » Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:06 am

thanks Derek
we are preparing for hurricane force winds, just in case
I anticipate the possibility of CAT 1 winds depending on how far North she passes us
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#2239 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:07 am

I'd just like to add that these are released every 3 hours, not 12 like the forecasts are
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#2240 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:15 am

Derek at 11 AM hurricane watch for Puerto Rico will be up as the director of the nws said it on radio.
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