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#1 Postby wxbrad » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:14 pm

I know everyone loves models, even the numerical ones!

But one must understand how a models work, they are based on numerical grid data being generated by a computer using sonde data, surface obs, other models, some use Sat/Rad data and commercial aircraft data. All this data even though is great is still very sparse, especially over the ocean. On top of that the grid domain especially in the global models is very large. Tens of kilometers, even the meso models have a big domain in contrast to the tight small nuances of a tropical cyclone. So the models so a great job at time of forecasting big things, like Ridge and trough in the long wave pattern. They do a bad job of forecasting thunderstorms, lake effect snow, and hurricanes. Meso scale features that are outside the domain of most models. That¡¦s why models are ¡§guidance¡¨ and disecting them is as much of a art as a science. Plus you can never escape what is ¡§actually¡¨ happening on Satellite, radar and current surface and plane observation. One thing the NWS and NHC seem to forget! ƒº

In tropical cyclones you have to be aware of the current situation and the physics of what is actually taking place, boundary layer effects, AIR/LAND/SEA interaction and small scale features within the CDO and eye wall. All things no model will ever pick up, that were the skill of the forecaster comes in. I love all the modern technology I use everyday to forecast, but many Mets are blinded by the flood of information and forget to sometimes look out the window! So to speak, experience and trial and many errors makes you a better forecaster.

Boy if I had a dollar for every time the ¡§models¡¨ miss the CAD here in the Carolinas I¡¦d be rich. But I know what to look for in the model that hints at the CAD. I like to call it the GFS CAD, which looks nothing like a CAD, but there is a still a distinct signature to see.

I¡¦ve learned the same when it come to Tropical Meteorology

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#2 Postby Rainband » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:17 pm

That track puts me in the NE quad. I don't like it :eek:
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#3 Postby soonertwister » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:46 pm

Thanks, Brad! Your track pretty closely models my thinking process for this storm. As in, if the model consensus and official track have consistently been a bit right of actual track, then when the chips are down you must go with what is happening, not what a machine tells you may happen.

Miami, Tampa-St. Pete, Tallahassee. Good grief!
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#4 Postby Brent » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:47 pm

The end of the red line is about 10 miles east of my house!!! :eek:

Just please tell me it won't be a hurricane when it gets here. :(
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#5 Postby Canelaw99 » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:49 pm

Your track seems to be the most likely at this point, in my opinion...
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#6 Postby Josephine96 » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:51 pm

Nah.. I still take it further up the coast.. Brevard or Indian River County
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#7 Postby Rainband » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:52 pm

Josephine96 wrote:Nah.. I still take it further up the coast.. Brevard or Indian River County
Sounds like you want this storm :eek: That can't be the case after what you went through with Charley :idea: :wink:
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#8 Postby MannyG » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:53 pm

I don't like it. I'm scheduled to fly from New Orleans to Miami tomorrow. :grr:
Do it again until it's something I can live with (or at least live through). :wink:
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#9 Postby wxbrad » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:56 pm

I still like the point between MIA and PBI as landfall. When you have a vertical coast such as Florida a small change could mean a 100-200 miles different landfall.

Remeber if you leave you have a 100% chance of survival. If you stay even if the chances are low...say 1% you die or get injured. I'll take the sure thing 6 days a week and twice on Sunday.
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#10 Postby cape_escape » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:00 pm

I don't like this one at all! Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the line go right past Punta Gorda again?
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#11 Postby wxbrad » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:01 pm

Hate to say, buy yes. The criss cross of South Florida from 2 major hurricanes is not good!!!
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#12 Postby Josephine96 » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:02 pm

I do not WANT this storm lol..

Although I did notice 1 thing.. the power of the wind is amazing..

Anyway.. Let's just wait and see where she goes
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#13 Postby Guest » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:03 pm

Josephine96 wrote:Nah.. I still take it further up the coast.. Brevard or Indian River County


Got a case of -removed-?
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#14 Postby CaptinCrunch » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:04 pm

Right ON wxbrad!!

However I taking Mobil as second landfall as a strong Cat 3
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#15 Postby NFLnut » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:09 pm

I would assume that your track is the red line?

I like what you're telling me. Although my worst fears are for those in the Punta and Port Charlotte/Ft Myers area. Although I need this storm to go far to the south (or to GA/SC but THAT ain't gonna happen) to get an opportunity to get a breather and to be able to repair before the next big one. I will be wearing floaties just to get from the bedroom to the kitchen if the NHC is right. Tarps on the roof in 140 mph winds tend to not stay put :roll: I need this storm to go away!
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#16 Postby Canebo » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:33 pm

I guess the problem w/a FLa landfall is there isn't a good place for it to hit. Here in Texas we have the area between Corpus and Brownsville that is mostly ranchland. At least when we have a storm headed our way, we can hope it strikes the area w/the fewest people and structures. It seems like the Fla coast is pretty well developed. God luck to all in her path.
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#17 Postby wxbrad » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:22 am

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Made some slight adjustmusts later in the forecast, but looks good still from yesterdays forecast from me.
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#18 Postby newt3 » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:36 am

Live in Apalachicola,FL. Is this for real? Our local met, Jason Kelly news channel 7 out of Panama City,FL has been saying the same thing, that this girl is going to go over Florida, reemerge in the gulf and might pay us a visit. Just wondering how strong she will be if this does happen. TWC has not mentioned anything about a possible gulf event, and I have never seen them so evasive on where the track is. Is this because of Charley not going in where they predicted?
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#19 Postby golter » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:37 am

Your track has her crossing right over 24N & 76W. Given the NW or even slightly N of NW run over the last 2 1/2 hours, she would have to make a turn toward due west in the next 3 hours. Current track has her crossing 24N at 74.5W (estimated based on last 3 hour track) even if she mirrored your track from there you are off by 100+ miles.... Just my observatioins, dont fry me. You may be right, but I dont see it.
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#20 Postby wxbrad » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:41 am

I would probably round the trun off more, but the general track is looking okay, from yesterday mind you.

Newt3 Jason is a great met, doesn't surprise me he is keeping you guys up to speed. I'll have to talk with him before we head to Portland for NWA conference in October.
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