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#1221 Postby USAwx1 » Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:56 pm

Stormsfury wrote:It almost looks like the N ATL ridge is trying to extend underneath the weakness left behind in the departing wake of Frances. although the s/w ridging that Frances pumped up out east of it yesterday and last night has faded (and responsible for the unbelievable moisture feed and LLJ in excess of 50 KTS ... responsible for an unbelievable number of warnings in SC for tornadoes yesterday ...)

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Also note, WSW of Ivan, an upper system has closed off as well on that analysis ... and for the time being, a channel is being created for Ivan to go (at least in the short-term) ... I'm NOT downplaying the recurvature idea, just not as soon as the ECMWF/GFS are going with ... maybe not as Extreme as the CMC, but close ...

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yep a TUTT low which the GFS is forecasting to move westward toward the WRN carib. at 36 hrs. you can see it well in the h250 field.

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it's possible that Ivan may follow its progression for a time implying the continuation of a west to WNW track.
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#1222 Postby BensonTCwatcher » Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:58 pm

Yeah the overall trend HAS to be picked up. Plus we can see the "channel" forming for Ivan make the turn. The models see it like uhhh well looking through a cheese grater i guess
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#1223 Postby USAwx1 » Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:58 pm

BensonTCwatcher wrote:Whew :eek: that GFS being the holy grail of the models is scary. But on point, we track the center. It can easily move in one direction while the outer edge of a storm begins to feel the "impact" on a steering force. Has anyone ever seen a slow motion frame of a a rubber ball against a wall? The "center" travels in the same direction until the center is acted upon...Netwon's Law



Holy grail of models? for some maybe, but NOT for me.
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#1224 Postby BensonTCwatcher » Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:59 pm

Well, this board does not have a "tounge in cheek" icon...Sorry
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#1225 Postby canegrl04 » Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:59 pm

Shear has little or know affect on cat 5 storms. I remeber seeing a sat image of hurricane Alberto (2000). at cat 4 or 5 status,and he cut thru the shear like a hot knife on butter
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#1226 Postby Hurrilurker » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:01 pm

btsgmdad wrote:I wonder if we may have to send troops down there again?

If you were thinking about a coup, now would be a good time to do it, wouldn't it? No security, the prisoners roaming the island after the prison was destroyed, complete chaos, and the prime minister is not even on the island (and much of the govt. infrastructure destroyed). What I don't understand is a quote I read from the prime minister something to the effect of "no one could have forseen the kind of damage we experienced" and I'd have to disagree with that. Cat 3-4 hurricane coming straight at you on an island prone to mudslides? It sounds to me like they weren't really paying attention and didn't learn from the recent lessons of Charley and Frances.
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#1227 Postby dhweather » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:02 pm

Wow, how fast he has strengthened this afternoon!
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#1228 Postby marc21688 » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:02 pm

Does anyone else she the eastward trend or is it just me?
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#1229 Postby dhweather » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:03 pm

Sounds like chaos down there.
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models more east...high weakened

#1230 Postby air360 » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:03 pm

just looked at the newest models and everything has shifted east...the FAR LEFT model is now over Fl...none show GOM anymore...only west FL and places east....interesting....it also seems as if the high is starting to weaken...a N turn possibly start sooner than thought???

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#1231 Postby simplykristi » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:04 pm

That is scary. :(

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#1232 Postby dhweather » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:04 pm

Has anyone told Ivan this???
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#1233 Postby HeatherAKC » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:04 pm

I know, these models shift east, west, north, south, but I have to say that this is not looking good! I feel like Florida is a possum, trying to outrun an 18 wheeler on the highway. Well, you know the results of that!!!
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#1234 Postby air360 » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:05 pm

everyone keep in mind...Hazel never showed any signs of turning north until almost 75 degrees ...and then she turned to the NE and then back NW....so ANYTHING can happen...
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#1235 Postby tallbunch » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:05 pm

can this be a NC storm?
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#1236 Postby ilmc172pilot » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:06 pm

DONT WISH A nw TURN FOLKS.....NOT EVERYONE IN NC WANTS A CANE.... :D
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#1237 Postby canegrl04 » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:06 pm

This morning Ivan's pressure readings were as high as 952 .Thats a 14 point drop :eek:

They've got to report cat 5 winds with Ivan by 11pm.It doesn't make sense other wise
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#1238 Postby dhweather » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:06 pm

Windshield wipers. I don't know if >24 hours is trustworthy right now.
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#1239 Postby AussieMark » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:06 pm

Mitch was 180 mph

and 905 mb.
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#1240 Postby spaceisland » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:06 pm

It does appear that the southwest boundary of the high is weakened... does this play out at upper levels of the atmosphere also?
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