Something is wrong here.

[MBryant]

My intuition says that when I putt, the faster the ball rolls, the less break it takes and it never breaks uphill without hitting something REAAAALLL solid at fast speed.

[CalmBeforeStorm]

Almost a little S of due W in last IR frames. Damn low latitude currently and the models are whacked. A powerful CAT 4 turning W to NNW over the next 24 hours??........I find it hard to believe myself. In fact some the intialized models are already incorrect. The W and Central GOM trough better be a strong one. We do not need weak steering currents with a storm of this magnititude.

Exactly. This is really getting annoying now. Come on models, GET A CLUE!

Exactly how will we know when they "have a clue"? When they come up with a solution that seems more logical to us? Face it, they are in pretty good agreement on a turn WNW, NW and eventually north and it will most likely happen.

[ido]

at what point do we need to see definitive turning in order to see Ivan follow the current models pointing to florida? in other words, what are the "coordinates of no return"?