evening jeanne forecast... toward florida

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Derek Ortt

#41 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:34 am

full service on Hurricane Jeanne will resume this evening. We're totally exhausted after Frances, Gaston, Hermine, and Ivan.
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#42 Postby ay » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:37 am

[quote="rbaker"]im with and have been with abloshing these insane 5 day forecast. All we have to do is look at Ivan where they had him 5 days or even a week ago. These tracks are way off with huge ramifacations as we just saw with ivan. <<<

???? The 5 day forecasts for Ivan were extrememly accurate. On the morning of the 11th, they had already shifted the track into the panhandle fairly far away from the SW coast line. It ended up a little further west, but overall I would say that did an excellent job with Frances and Ivan.
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#43 Postby Aimless » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:40 am

Get rest Derek... we will be relying on your services and sage advice for some time to come
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#44 Postby Deenac813 » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:41 am

Derek Ortt wrote:full service on Hurricane Jeanne will resume this evening. We're totally exhausted after Frances, Gaston, Hermine, and Ivan.


Thank you Thank you Derek. Please get some rest I can bet you are just exhausted! Thanks again for all that you do. :D
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#45 Postby Aimless » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:43 am

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/

In the meantime... here is the 11:00am advisory
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#46 Postby rbaker » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:21 am

I don't know what you were watching but 5 days ago was Saturday and that's when the hurricane was about to take the left because of a developing high pressure system to the north of ivan, which made it go west for a considerable distance. Now we know gulf shores was the landfall, it wouldn't say that being 300 miles to the left of landfall was all that accurate. That goes from the tpa area getting the right front quadrant of the storm to getting some cloud cover. I would hardly call that extremely accurate. My point being get rid of the 5 day and stay with a considerable more accurate 3 day. If people don't have their supplies ready(excluding gas some food) that is their fault. This should have been done on June 1 when the season starts, not wait until you have a potential storm on the map.
By the way, the previous 5 days they had ivan on course for fla, they were obviously way off on that one too.
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#47 Postby ay » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:27 am

By the way, the previous 5 days they had ivan on course for fla, they were obviously way off on that one too.[/quote]

I'm not going to go back and forth on this, but I actually have these all printed out with dates, and they moved Ivan away from the west coast of florida beginning at 5am on the 11th, and kept moving it further west as the days went by. I would say that's about as precise as you are going to get. Before the 11th, it was still looking bad for us in Tampa, but after that, they moved it away, and they were right.

If you can do better, than perhaps you have a business opportunity, but I doubt anyone can.
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#48 Postby rbaker » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:33 am

well ay, you have your opinion and I have mine. All I know is what I followed this cane in the 50 some discussions they had on it, and they were off over 300 miles. Which is considerable. Are you so against the 3 day vs the 5 day, when the 3 day proves time and time again to be considerably more accurate?
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#49 Postby HurricaneGirl » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:37 am

5 days models are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine
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#50 Postby Canelaw99 » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:01 am

If I'm not mistaken, the NHC didn't even want to go to issuing 5 days because of the unreliable nature of them....someone correct me if I'm wrong on that....

But...that should tell us all something about them. The NHC does well with 3 day, so that's what we should focus on...
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