so was Ivan really a Cat 3? at landfall

[rdcrds]

I know all the reports of what NHC had with the winds but what was the highest winds recored? from what i read besides the tornadoes this storm did not do cat 3 damage.

I still cant find anywhere that winds outside of a tornado were over 100.

[dennis1x1]

yes...whether the wind translated on land is irrelevant....recon measured 120mph at landfall....case closed...cat 3.

[Brent]

There are no reporting stations to my knowledge in the Fort Morgan, Gulf Shores, Orange Beach area where those winds occurred.

[Windy]

No! It can't be closed! rdcrds spent all last night fighting with everyone, telling them it couldn't possibly be more than a Cat 2!

[mf_dolphin]

Wasn't the earlier thread on this enough? It almost seems like you're trolling. It has been explained to you that many of the weather instruments probably failed during the height of the storm.

[rdcrds]

All i asked was were there winds mesured anywhere? some of you people need to take a chill pill.As i would hate to see them suspend a account all because i asked a simple question.

I did not know if there were reporting stations in that area so thank you to the person reporting it but please no reason to bash me when all i am doing is giving my opinion and not saying 1 word about anyone.

So lay off the rude comments.

[Tri-State_1925]

rdcrds is still basing his argument on that Gulf Shores CNN reporter last night who said this storm wasn't as bad as what he experienced in Frances.

Well I wonder what that reporter now has to say about Gulf Shores, which is under water. I wonder what he has to say about what I just saw in Pensacola.

[mf_dolphin]

"from what i read besides the tornadoes this storm did not do cat 3 damage. " When you make stupid comments like that you're just trolling IMO. In this case my opinion counts!

[rdcrds]

Wasn't the earlier thread on this enough? It almost seems like you're trolling. It has been explained to you that many of the weather instruments probably failed during the height of the storm.

I am not saying was it a cat 3 or 2 i just wanted to know if any winds were recored above 100.If there are not any places on the coast there that can then so be it.

With charlie we had reports of all kind of winds here well over 100 and 120 so i just wanted to ask and see if any were.You don't need to start a witch hunt over a question of did they record any winds like that.

I read this "Ivan was nowhere near as bad as Frederic — not even close," Mobile Police Chief Sam Cochran said, referring to the 1979 storm that devastated the Alabama coast. "I think we were really spared and blessed."

So i wanted to know if land winds were recored over 100 mph.What they call it does it matter? cat 3 4 i don't care i just like to know in storms where the worst winds were and what they were but jezz nobody is trolling only asked a simple question.

[simplykristi]

The strongest winds are at the coast. The damage on the barrier islands will tell the story. As I've heard it on the news this AM, the ones between Pensacola and Mobile took a real beating.

Kristi

[Foladar]

All i asked was were there winds mesured anywhere? some of you people need to take a chill pill.As i would hate to see them suspend a account all because i asked a simple question.

I did not know if there were reporting stations in that area so thank you to the person reporting it but please no reason to bash me when all i am doing is giving my opinion and not saying 1 word about anyone.

So lay off the rude comments.

I don't suggest you say that about dolphin..may want to look at his title..

[caneman]

Wasn't the earlier thread on this enough? It almost seems like you're trolling. It has been explained to you that many of the weather instruments probably failed during the height of the storm.

I am not saying was it a cat 3 or 2 i just wanted to know if any winds were recored above 100.If there are not any places on the coast there that can then so be it.

With charlie we had reports of all kind of winds here well over 100 and 120 so i just wanted to ask and see if any were.You don't need to start a witch hunt over a question of did they record any winds like that.

I read this "Ivan was nowhere near as bad as Frederic — not even close," Mobile Police Chief Sam Cochran said, referring to the 1979 storm that devastated the Alabama coast. "I think we were really spared and blessed."

So i wanted to know if land winds were recored over 100 mph.What they call it does it matter? cat 3 4 i don't care i just like to know in storms where the worst winds were and what they were but jezz nobody is trolling only asked a simple question.

Yes, strongest winds at and before the coast. They all weaken some as the come inland. And the worse winds were confined to one band roughly between Pensacola and the border. A cat. 3 is a Cat. 3. The winds don't have to be uniform all the way around.

[MBismyPlayground]

I am sure it is still a little early to get reliable info at this point, as you were informed of last night. Will Repeat it AGAIN......

[trwxxa7]

The eye of Frederic in 1979 went right over or just west of Mobile, a much more direct hit from a similar intensity storm. So, of course conditions in Mobile proper were worse back then.

[mascpa]

I don't think the people who went through this storm really care whether it was a cat 2 or cat 3 ar any ct for that matter. What they care about is recovery. I couldn't care less what cat Frances was . What I care about is getting electricity back, having clean water, getting food and ice form my family, fixing my house, cleaning my yard, and doing whatever I can to help others who have endured worse loss than I.

[Guest]

Andrew was reported a Cat 4 when it hit Florida, but a month or so later they called it a cat 5 hurricane. If they can higher the cat later down the road, I don't see why they can't lower the cat later after offical reports.

[mf_dolphin]

The official report on Ivan will classify it as whatever category it was at landfall. Based on what I've seen so far there's no evidence that it was anything other than a CAT 3 at landfall.

[donsutherland1]

NCstateWOLF,

Among other things that pointed to a Category 5 storm with respect to Andrew were:

1) Central pressure upon landfall: 922 mb
2) Wind damage consistent with winds of Category 5 status

As for Ivan, too many ingredients point to Category 3 status upon landfall:
1) Central pressure was consistent with such a storm
2) Reconnaissance data showed a Category 3 storm immediately prior to landfall
3) Early reports to the east of Ivan's track point to substantial damage


Overall, I believe that the combination of factors will lead the NHC to confirm that Ivan was a landfalling Category 3 hurricane, though a weakening one.

[Innotech]

well it took down that escambia bridge on I10/ thats pretty damned strong winds and surf to do that!

[Tri-State_1925]

While I don't like the readjustment of Andrew for a few reasons, from what I've seen a lot of that was based on the damage Andrew caused. And there is no way they are going to adjust this storm downward considering the building destruction that occured last night.