Interesting FAQ from the NHC re: Dyn-O-Gel from Dyn-O-Mat !

[depotoo]

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5d.html
see above link

[Matthew5]

Over 300 planes at every half hour...Would have to do this to even take down some small little clouds. In believe me the people at Hrd/Noaa write this know what they are talking about. In top of all that they say the mm5 model they tested it on says it did more on the model then in real life.

[cswitwer]

Thanks! I've been curious about what ever happened with DynoMat... they seemed to disappear after their initial assertions about Ivan.

But how interesting that NOAA posted something about it. They must've had a LOT of inquiries.

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[TampaFl]

[FLGuest]

DynoMat! Iceburgs!? Human's wont to ruin everything.... We are already killing the land and it's wildlife, why not the oceans....

[cswitwer]

FL Guest,

Have you seen the Shifting Baselines site? One of my photos of Folly Beach was a runner up in their photo contest last month. (http://www.shiftingbaselines.org/news/photocont.html)

Shifting Baselines is the theory that if we stop using past baselines(such as coastline shapes, waves action, migration patterns, etc) to measure how much change we are inflicting on the planet, then we don't have any knowledge or power over it.

Some of the photos on that page a really jaw-dropping. Especially the underwater photos and reefs.

[StrongWind]

DynoMat! Iceburgs!? Human's wont to ruin everything.... We are already killing the land and it's wildlife, why not the oceans....

"The Ocean is dying. The Plankton is dying... Soylent Green is people"

SW

[Innotech]

DynoMat! Iceburgs!? Human's wont to ruin everything.... We are already killing the land and it's wildlife, why not the oceans....

humans cannot destroy the Earth. We cannot come close to destroying everything. To destroy the oceans alone would require several quadrillion TONS of pollutants.

[tideline]

with the exception of a few uranium isotopes and a few metors we have not imported a thing. everything that is here was already here. we may alter the shape or configuration but everything is natural.

[x-y-no]

with the exception of a few uranium isotopes and a few metors we have not imported a thing. everything that is here was already here. we may alter the shape or configuration but everything is natural.

OK, since everything is natural, let's conduct a little thought experiment. I'll give you two 12-ounce glasses. One is full of orange juice (or, if you prefer, beer). The other is full of benzene. The contents of both glasses are entirely natural - consisting for the most part of the naturally occurring elements carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. In fact, the benzene is more pure, since the orange juice and beer contain traces of metals, etc.

Which one will you choose to drink and why? Would in not be logical for you to choose the pure and natural benzene?

[Anonymous]

with the exception of a few uranium isotopes and a few metors we have not imported a thing. everything that is here was already here. we may alter the shape or configuration but everything is natural.

wow....

Now that is a complete but simple minded view, though the principle is correct I find nothing natural about plastic cups floating in the tides or hundreds of thousands of cigerette butts on the beach.

Innotech & you related?

By your view then I guess you won't mind if they dumped the raw sewage produced for 1 yr by the entire city of New York in your County? I mean its all natural human waste and it wouldn't destroy anything or cause disease. It would just alter the landscape. Yeah I understand now, that if we "change" the entire ecoystem of a animal, by cutting all the forest it lives in lets say a Panda Bear we do not destroy it (Panda Bear) by removing all of its food source we just alter its live style. Hmmm this is interesting. I see the point, how right you are

So here in Tampa where we have huge waste piles of highly acidic gypsum stacks the residue produced by mining phosphate that "changes" I mean alter the configuration of the land. So when one of these waste piles (gypsum stacks) breaks the levees and spills down into Tampa Bay wiping out hundreds off thousands of fish/shellfish and wipes out there breeding/feeding areas thus "removing" the entire ecoystem we are not destroying it just changing it.

So the Soviets or we as the human race didn't destroy anything during the Chernobyl disaster? Its just the tools left on the planet for us to use and enjoy as we see fit, ...
Hey its all natural and provided to us already on Earth, why this sort of thing should be expected by such a Intelligent worldy society, as its only altering the configuration of the natural elements given to us by God and its our God given right to make these changes to our planet.

Now I realize nature does the samething with volcano's, earthquakes, floods, drought, hurricanes, etc along with biological pathogens that cause natural outbreaks of disease. Somehow I think we are doing it a bit faster than nature at this date. Now this could change if a big astroid hits the Earth or the Sun sends out a super large storm.

No point in going on, as everything from the Exxon Valdez oil spill to the filth & waste floating in the Ganghis river in India causing wide spread disease and human suffering is all natural just re-configured by humans.

You've convinced me, thankyou

I think I''ll eat a piece of mecury laden snapper now & with a glass of wine

Yep, I understand now, Hallaluah I see the light.

Mike

[tideline]

sorry if i oversimplifed things. sometimes people find it hard to step back and look at things objectively. a plastic cup is only made of things found on this planet i think. things are poisonous only by concentration not by their existance alone. heck all the uranium on earth was already here. just not concentrated. we didn't import it from pluto.

[Innotech]

with the exception of a few uranium isotopes and a few metors we have not imported a thing. everything that is here was already here. we may alter the shape or configuration but everything is natural.

wow....

Now that is a complete but simple minded view, though the principle is correct I find nothing natural about plastic cups floating in the tides or hundreds of thousands of cigerette butts on the beach.

Innotech & you related?

By your view then I guess you won't mind if they dumped the raw sewage produced for 1 yr by the entire city of New York in your County? I mean its all natural human waste and it wouldn't destroy anything or cause disease. It would just alter the landscape. Yeah I understand now, that if we "change" the entire ecoystem of a animal, by cutting all the forest it lives in lets say a Panda Bear we do not destroy it (Panda Bear) by removing all of its food source we just alter its live style. Hmmm this is interesting. I see the point, how right you are

So here in Tampa where we have huge waste piles of highly acidic gypsum stacks the residue produced by mining phosphate that "changes" I mean alter the configuration of the land. So when one of these waste piles (gypsum stacks) breaks the levees and spills down into Tampa Bay wiping out hundreds off thousands of fish/shellfish and wipes out there breeding/feeding areas thus "removing" the entire ecoystem we are not destroying it just changing it.

So the Soviets or we as the human race didn't destroy anything during the Chernobyl disaster? Its just the tools left on the planet for us to use and enjoy as we see fit, ...
Hey its all natural and provided to us already on Earth, why this sort of thing should be expected by such a Intelligent worldy society, as its only altering the configuration of the natural elements given to us by God and its our God given right to make these changes to our planet.

Now I realize nature does the samething with volcano's, earthquakes, floods, drought, hurricanes, etc along with biological pathogens that cause natural outbreaks of disease. Somehow I think we are doing it a bit faster than nature at this date. Now this could change if a big astroid hits the Earth or the Sun sends out a super large storm.

No point in going on, as everything from the Exxon Valdez oil spill to the filth & waste floating in the Ganghis river in India causing wide spread disease and human suffering is all natural just re-configured by humans.

You've convinced me, thankyou

I think I''ll eat a piece of mecury laden snapper now & with a glass of wine

Yep, I understand now, Hallaluah I see the light.

Mike

Like I said, we will NEVER destroy the Earth. It is not in our power or ability to do so.
Yes we can alter the existing envornment a bit with pollutants in localized areas, however, we cannot actually destroy everything so much as change it. what we do is bring about changes. Earth is no stranger to change, as it is happening as we speak in a billion different ways. Our changes are but a few examples, and not even the most dominating. Every time a hurricane comes, or an earthquake, a tornado, floods, high winds, fires, volcanoes, meteor and ocmet impacts...these all natural, but they do much more damage in a shorter itme than humans can do. Nature constantly redefines itself, and to think humanity can destroy it is being extremely arrogant. the only hting we would destroy, is ourselves, and that would actually be good for the Earth, not bad. personally, I plan to live my life, but treating the Earth like a fragile object is laughable. The laws of nature ultimately determine earth's fate, not man. We only modify the changes.

[x-y-no]

Like I said, we will NEVER destroy the Earth. It is not in our power or ability to do so.
Yes we can alter the existing envornment a bit with pollutants in localized areas, however, we cannot actually destroy everything so much as change it. what we do is bring about changes. Earth is no stranger to change, as it is happening as we speak in a billion different ways. Our changes are but a few examples, and not even the most dominating. Every time a hurricane comes, or an earthquake, a tornado, floods, high winds, fires, volcanoes, meteor and ocmet impacts...these all natural, but they do much more damage in a shorter itme than humans can do. Nature constantly redefines itself, and to think humanity can destroy it is being extremely arrogant. the only hting we would destroy, is ourselves, and that would actually be good for the Earth, not bad. personally, I plan to live my life, but treating the Earth like a fragile object is laughable. The laws of nature ultimately determine earth's fate, not man. We only modify the changes.

But the fact that "nature" has even more capacity for destruction (or change) than we do doesn't mean we should be unconcerned with the destruction (or change) we are causing.

The Earth - right now - is undergoing the most rapid rate of species extinction ever absent massive extraterrestrial impact. Mankind is the cause. Now life on Earth will survive this, but it still doesn't make it a good idea. Without getting too specifically religious about it, our intellectual and spiritual development along with our physical dominance places us in a position of stewardship of this world. We ignore that at our peril.

[Patrick99]

I am so sick of hearing about people wanting to wipe the prospect of hurricanes from the earth. These are people who won't be satisfied until they engineer the weather so that every day is 75 degrees, little white puffy clouds rolling by at 5-10 mph.

[Anonymous]

I wasn't exactly trying to be religious, though there was sarcasm that way. I do understand what Innotech & tideline are saying, I just disagree with parts of the there view, but not trying to change opposing views either - we each have our own. Sorry if I offended anyone.

As Stewards of this Earth, by whatever means one believes - we must realize that its not laughable to think we should treat our world as a fragile place. Who can argue we can't destroy the actual planet, but we can destroy life as we know it. I don't think the Earth will do anymore much good if its just a desert, a screwed atmosphere with undrinkable water?

I may have little control if some thug breaks into my home and murders my family but I darn will do my best to protect my loved ones, my home, & property from destruction with all thats in my control, with every breath I have in my body. I will use all available means to protect these people & property with the best security I can afford. Hopefully no such terrible thing will ever occur, but whats wrong with being prepared and diligent just in case. Our families, friends, & homes are fragile as people in the Sudan or Iraq will tell you first hand how fragile security is for there home.
The same for the Earth, we can't stop a solar flare but whats wrong with offering the same respect to our big home as we do for our small homes?

Sure more people means more land use for everything we need, thats understandable but it can be done with some compassion and understanding that we need whats on the crust of the earth and our atmosphere more than it needs us for the long haul.


Take Care,

Mike

[tronbunny]

opinion:

Humans are insignificant when it comes to the scale of geologic process....
It's quite arrogant (and ignorant) to believe that the human race really means a lot to geologic history.

Let me close this opinion with:
morsels of thought....
If humans can ever gain the power to alter hurricanes, I suspect that we will destroy our environment...but the earth will live as long as the earth lives...
Mars may have been a habitable planet at one point in geologic history.