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Accuweather 6 AM Discussion

#1 Postby charleston_hugo_veteran » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:38 am

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POSTED: September 20, 2004 5:36 a.m.

1) Ivan. The remnants of the storm will cross Florida from the east Monday and be in the Gulf near 26 north and 85 west by Tuesday morning. 10-15 foot seas and gales will hit the northeastern coast of Florida Monday. The system will re-organize Tuesday and could be a 50-60 knot tropical storm by Thursday. It is likely to be given a new name since it will be a completely new surface circulation. Since the Tropical Depression in the eastern Atlantic will be named Lisa within the next 24-36 hours, what develops in the Gulf will most likely become Matthew. Regardless of the name of the system, or it's speed of movement, it appears the Texas or Louisiana coast might have to deal with it later in the week. 2) Jeanne. We are at odds with our good friends at TPC. First of all, Jeanne may still be on the charts and near the coast next weekend. We feel it will perform a loop by Wednesday and start back for the coast, and there is a chance, given the upper-level pattern, that it could impact U.S. weather next weekend. We also do not see any reason why this storm will not develop to a category 2 or perhaps greater hurricane, unless the storm sits and spins over the same water for a few days. In that case, upwelling could eventually weaken it. The bulk of non U.S generated models have the loop and it fits a nice analog, though further east in the end game, to Betsy in 1965. The current AccuWeather forecast calls for a loop and then a turn back towards the west, with possible impact late this week. 3) Karl will recurve and not hit the States. 4) Lisa should develop over the next few days from Tropical Depression 13, but it is too early to say whether it will suffer the same fate as Karl or come farther west. The ridge of upper-level high pressure over Hurricane Karl may push Lisa further west, allowing it to make it to the Lesser Antilles and perhaps later, the United States. However, any U.S. impact is still about 2 or more weeks away.

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#2 Postby yoda » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:44 am

I totally disagree with Accuweather about the new storm thing from Ivan. As SF has said, Ivan is gone... its a vort max. Huh, IMHO, there will be no 60 kt TC in the GOM. Where does this come from? :?: :roll:
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#3 Postby Cookiely » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:45 am

Why give it a new name if they know its the remnants of Ivan?
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#4 Postby charleston_hugo_veteran » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:45 am

Don't shoot the messenger! :lol:
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#5 Postby yoda » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:49 am

Cookiely wrote:Why give it a new name if they know its the remnants of Ivan?


I have no idea what Accuweather is talking about. Ivan is gone... perhaps one of the mets on here can figure this out.

Cookiely, since Ivan has already diminished, and this is a new entity, a new name is required. It will also have a new surface circulation. (I am hoping I am right here, don't take my word for it)

CHV, I know... but I have no idea what Accuweather is talking about. A 60 kt. TC? Where is that from? Last I checked, the remnants of Ivan were way up north. TC's don't form out of nowhere... :lol:
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#6 Postby charleston_hugo_veteran » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:51 am

yoda wrote:
Cookiely wrote:Why give it a new name if they know its the remnants of Ivan?


I have no idea what Accuweather is talking about. Ivan is gone... perhaps one of the mets on here can figure this out.

Cookiely, since Ivan has already diminished, and this is a new entity, a new name is required. It will also have a new surface circulation. (I am hoping I am right here, don't take my word for it)

CHV, I know... but I have no idea what Accuweather is talking about. A 60 kt. TC? Where is that from? Last I checked, the remnants of Ivan were way up north. TC's don't form out of nowhere... :lol:


I agree, I think it is way out there....maybe someone will see it today and elaborate!
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#7 Postby yoda » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:52 am

Agree. Any mets out there who can explain what Accuweather is talking about?
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#8 Postby krisj » Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:01 am

Wow, their path for Jeanne is way different than the NHC. Our local met said this morning that nothign was headed our way and Jeanne will be going East. She never mentioned, that it may go West again.
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#9 Postby Thunder44 » Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:06 am

TWC says that cluster of showers and t-storms of the Florida coast this morning is associated with the mid-level disturbance of Ivan.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/GMEX/IR4/20.jpg
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p ... kmlb.shtml
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#10 Postby wxwatcher2 » Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:08 am

I admittedly have not followed accuweather very much until the last couple of weeks.

My observation is simply this. They tend to forecast on the extreme side of the forecast models.

In other words, if there is a chance it will rain in the gulf, they will call for a tropical storm and with Jeanne, they called for it to pass through the fla straits and be in the gulf already.
See what mean? They are alarmists and are wrong more often than they are right.
Until proven otherwise, at leas to me, I take their forecasts with a grain of salt.

I saw the look in JB's eyes as he forecast Jeanne to hit the U.S. right after Ivan slammed into the Gulf coast. I just don't believe in this type of forecasting. TO me, the track record is not good.
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#11 Postby HollynLA » Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:11 am

This morning, D. Bernard, ch 4. NOLA, said that the remnants of Ivan are crossing the Florida peninsula today and will go into the gulf and 'possibly' reform in a TS at most which will bring LA and TX rain and breezy weather on Wed and Thurs. While LA needs rain desperately, I hope it's not flooding rains.
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#12 Postby Patrick99 » Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:11 am

I disagree with the Ivan thing too. I think there's way too much dry air in the Gulf right now for anything to get going.
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#13 Postby canegrl04 » Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:16 am

WOW :eek: Ivan's ghost
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#14 Postby LaBreeze » Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:33 am

Mets around here are not mentioning anything about tropical development - just that rainfall chances may increase as the week progresses. Definitely could use some rain here.
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#15 Postby Anonymous » Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:26 am

Its not just accu-weather that is bringing up the Ivan mid level circulation. The NWS has mentioned it in local discussions both yesterday and again today from various offices along the gulf. It was mentioned all day yesterday in Tampa discussions and there is a post on here regarding this out of Houston this AM.

The Accu-weather forecast of Jeanne last week was very poor, I agree witht he alarmist thoughts. I watched their forecaster on Fox news and he was so darn sure of himself that without a doubt Jeanne would hit the SE coast as a Hurricane and the accu-weather track showed it moving due east across Florida then into LA. I thought they were being a little smug with the fact the storm was so close to those big mountains and its circulation caught up over land.
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#16 Postby BaltimoreGirl » Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:37 am

The Accu-weather forecast of Jeanne last week was very poor, I agree witht he alarmist thoughts. I watched their forecaster on Fox news and he was so darn sure of himself that without a doubt Jeanne would hit the SE coast as a Hurricane and the accu-weather track showed it moving due east across Florida then into LA. I thought they were being a little smug with the fact the storm was so close to those big mountains and its circulation caught up over land.


Well, Fox has just changed their tune on Jeanne. One of their updates just said that they do not expect Jeanne to hit the US.
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#17 Postby amawea » Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:03 pm

I like Accuweather. Hmm. Why is everybody jumping all over them because of the Jeanne forecast. Did't the TPC adjust their forecast on Ivan many times before it neared landfall. First over eastern or central Cuba and up the the east coast, then over western Cuba and right up the middle of Fla. They didn't have a clue just as the models didn't have a clue until at the last 24 hrs. I didn't see everyone jumping on the tpc though. Go figure.
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#18 Postby amawea » Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:52 pm

Bump.
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#19 Postby Stormsfury » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:06 pm

amawea wrote:I like Accuweather. Hmm. Why is everybody jumping all over them because of the Jeanne forecast. Did't the TPC adjust their forecast on Ivan many times before it neared landfall. First over eastern or central Cuba and up the the east coast, then over western Cuba and right up the middle of Fla. They didn't have a clue just as the models didn't have a clue until at the last 24 hrs. I didn't see everyone jumping on the tpc though. Go figure.
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TPC must chosse the path of least regret, so to speak ... the NWS/NOAA cannot play the role of alarmists without good reason, where Accuweather, being a private sector will seemingly sound the alarm, and in many cases, when it's not warranted ... weather media hype. More times than not, TPC will be right or verify very close well within the cone of probability ...

another issue is erratic shifts and wide variances in scenarios, where the NWS/NOAA/TPC will side on caution, especially when there's a wide shift in statistical outputs, and model guidance ...

Accuweather is trying to get you to PAY for weather information, the NWS does this for nothing ... and by far, are superior to Accuweather ... time and time again ...

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#20 Postby vbhoutex » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:08 pm

AMEN SF!!!!!!!
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