Can you spot a low-level circ. other than Jeanne ...

[Stormsfury]

Ok, I created a 10 frame loop from SUN MORNING just after sunrise and sorry about the last frame .. but where the suspected low pressure is supposed to be (OFF of the SE COAST within that mass of clouds offshore), do you or do you not see a low level spin ...

I do NOT ... all I see is strong northerly flow in the low-levels and on BOTH sides of the mid-level cloud deck offshore of South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida in this loop are low clouds pushing southward, SSW, and SSE (diverging) ...

http://www.stormsfury1.com/Temp/Sun091904.gif

[PurdueWx80]

Honestly, I can see hints of rotation, but being zoomed out so much makes it very difficult to see individual cumulus clouds, especially when they are surrounded or covered by a stratus deck. My best guess as to where the remnant is during that day is just E of the SC/GA border. I'm starting to wonder if we are all going to bi**h about this for days on end, instead of focusing on the fact that there is a storm that is about to hit the TX coast from the east. I have also not seen one good argument as to why this is a big mistake on the TPC's part. What, if any, harm does it do? A name is a name.

[Stormsfury]

Honestly, I can see hints of rotation, but being zoomed out so much makes it very difficult to see individual cumulus clouds, especially when they are surrounded or covered by a stratus deck. My best guess as to where the remnant is during that day is just E of the SC/GA border. I'm starting to wonder if we are all going to bi**h about this for days on end, instead of focusing on the fact that there is a storm that is about to hit the TX coast from the east. I have also not seen one good argument as to why this is a big mistake on the TPC's part. What, if any, harm does it do? A name is a name.

Purdue, go to my the Fallacy of calling 94L Ivan thread ...

http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=46819'

[PurdueWx80]

I see your point, but you are talking about a storm switching entire oceanic basins. I think that justifies the name change. In this case, we are still in the Atlantic basin, and the NHC must've seen enough of a low level circulation under the vort max to continue this as Ivan. These guys aren't stupid, and they obviously had trouble making the final decision. Also, in my opinion, it is more likely that the majority of what went NE w/ the extratropical system was the middle and upper moisture and heat. This happens off and on in the EPAC - the mid and upper portions shear off into the Desert SW, while the low level circ retrogrades to the W or S. Without any surface obs, other than ship reports and buoys, it is really quite hard to say that there was or was not a surface circulation. Anyway, I don't really want to argue this any more, as I think the name here is a moot point.

[Stormsfury]

They also did last year with a parent tropical wave which spawned both Tropical Depression #6 and #7 ... to me, it's just contradictory

but anyways, I gotta get in the bed ... gotta get back up by 4:30 am and Jeanne's my biggest concern right now ...