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Silly question re: Warnings

#1 Postby StrongWind » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:19 pm

My employer is supposed to pay a differential when a hurricane warning is issued. Since the advisory states the warning is for the "Florida East Coast" she is interpreting it to mean the beach area and not the 7-8 miles inland we are and therefore the differential doesn't come into effect.

Where can I show the warning applies to the entire county and not just the beach? Thx.

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#2 Postby Brent » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:20 pm

The warning is only for the coast... now, the NWS can issue Wind Warnings and such for inland areas.
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#3 Postby StrongWind » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:22 pm

Brent wrote:The warning is only for the coast... now, the NWS can issue Wind Warnings and such for inland areas.


Well, what is the "coast?" 1 inch beyond the high tide line, 2 inches? A mile?...
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#4 Postby Brent » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:24 pm

StrongWind wrote:
Brent wrote:The warning is only for the coast... now, the NWS can issue Wind Warnings and such for inland areas.


Well, what is the "coast?" 1 inch beyond the high tide line, 2 inches? A mile?...


The beach. :) 7-8 miles inland is not.
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#5 Postby TigerMo » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:28 pm

Doesn't the local NWS office issue warnings for the inland area? 7 miles inland from the beach is likely to have hurricane force winds if the beach does for tropical cyclone this size/strength. I thought a thread already said NWS Melbourne changed the watch to a warning for inland areas.
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#6 Postby djti » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:31 pm

well if your employer is located 7-8 miles inland and has this as an employee benefit.....and they are going by the beach definition....then it would never be used....
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#7 Postby Pebbles » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:39 pm

The actual counties of PalmBeach and Broward are not under hurricane warnings (though a small section of Palmbeach is and most counties north of them are) but hurricane watches...now if they change that you will see it here.... http://www.srh.noaa.gov/tbw/TampaBayAreaWeather.shtml if/when your entire county goes under a hurricane warning...then you can have it enforced.
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#8 Postby Brent » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:39 pm

TigerMo wrote:Doesn't the local NWS office issue warnings for the inland area? 7 miles inland from the beach is likely to have hurricane force winds if the beach does for tropical cyclone this size/strength. I thought a thread already said NWS Melbourne changed the watch to a warning for inland areas.


Yes. Inland Hurricane Wind Warning.
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#9 Postby KeyLargoDave » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:42 pm

I think you could strongly argue that it's for entire counties that touch the coast. Look at the wording of the warnings, and it mentions counties.

It's ridiculous for the employer to have the policy but then ignore it for a few miles. If it was a completely inland county, they might have a point, but 7-8 miles does not count as being out of the warning area, IMO.
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#10 Postby wxman57 » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:44 pm

I've always assumed that the warnings are for the entire coastal counties, not just the surf area. A hurricane will lose about half its winds in the first 11-12 hours inland. So hurricane-force winds can carry inland several counties for a strong Cat 2 or weak Cat 3 hurricane. Never heard of a separate hurricane warning for inland of the surf.
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#11 Postby StrongWind » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:45 pm

Found this site: http://www.srh.noaa.gov you can click on your met area and get detailed info. Shows I'm still in a watch area :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry:

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#12 Postby Brent » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:49 pm

StrongWind wrote:Found this site: http://www.srh.noaa.gov you can click on your met area and get detailed info. Shows I'm still in a watch area :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry:

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Correction: As of 5pm... your in the WARNING area(or your coastline is anyway :wink: )
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#13 Postby Pebbles » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:52 pm

DOH..dunno why they aren't making the whole county under a warning...they are talking in another thread about how there are some evacuations going on in Miami... But then again.. I don't work for the weather service!
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#14 Postby wxman57 » Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:03 pm

NHS page has all of the coastal counties in a hurricane warning:

http://www.srh.weather.gov/mfl/newpage/

However, warnings are supposed to be for hurricane-force winds within 24hrs, which isn't going to happen. The hurricane force winds are closer to 36 hours away.
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#15 Postby HurricaneQueen » Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:16 pm

I just clicked on the link provided by Pebbles (thanks!!!) and found out that Collier County, FL including the city of Naples is under a hurricane warning and a tropical storm watch. This is straight from the NOAA/National Weather Service website. Neither the TWC or our local NBC affiliate has mentioned the warning-just the watch. For those not familar with FL geography, we are on in the SW coast just above the Everglades. The counties above us are not included except for Hendry and Glades (both inland counties). Very strange, indeed.
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#16 Postby djti » Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:17 pm

a hurricane warning and tropical storm watch makes no sense.
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#17 Postby Alacane » Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:30 pm

The Alabama coastal counties and Northwest Florida coastal counties are divided into inland and coastal zones. During Hurricane Ivan, the NWS in Mobile, in the zone forecasts highlighted the Hurricane Warning for both inland and coastal zones. Here is an example.

ALZ061>064-160000-
BALDWIN COASTAL-BALDWIN INLAND-MOBILE COASTAL-MOBILE INLAND- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...BAY MINETTE...CITRONELLE...GULF SHORES... MOBILE 400 AM CDT WED SEP 15 2004

...HURRICANE WARNING IN EFFECT...
...FLOOD WATCH IN EFFECT...

Therefore, I interpret the Hurricane Warning to be in effect for the entire county.
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