Jewish Storm Buddies

ObsessedMiami · #1 Postby **ObsessedMiami** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:31 am

I dont know if anyone has mentioned this (and I apologize if they have) but with Yom Kippur coming up, many of our Jewish friends in the community will not be listening to radios/tvs during Jeanne's approach. So if you are a goyim like me with Jewish friends, keep an eye out for them and keep them updated. Besides, this is the time to be neighborly anyway.

GalvestonDuck · #2 Postby **GalvestonDuck** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:40 am

Yeah, I just caught that as I was reading the advisory:

We are reminded that from Sundown tonight until Sundown Saturday is yom kippur...a solemn jewish Holiday. Your jewish neighbors in the watch and warning areas observing yom kippur will not be listening to radios or watching TV...and may not be aware of the hurricane situation.

Nice to take that into consideration.

Ivanova · #3 Postby **Ivanova** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:45 am

Hurricane Ivan made landfall on Rosh Hashanah :cool:

#4 Postby **dhweather** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:45 am

ObsessedMiami wrote:I dont know if anyone has mentioned this (and I apologize if they have) but with Yom Kippur coming up, many of our Jewish friends in the community will not be listening to radios/tvs during Jeanne's approach. So if you are a goyim like me with Jewish friends, keep an eye out for them and keep them updated. Besides, this is the time to be neighborly anyway.

So true! Very nice to think of it both ways, be neighborly, novel idea!

The NHC has been addressing this too in the advisories.

Persepone · #5 Postby **Persepone** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:40 pm

This could be a real lifesaver as observant Jews may not hear about any changes in the track, changes in evacuations, any speed-up in the time frame, etc. after about 4:30 p.m. today (Friday) until sometime Saturday night after sundown.

Please walk over and knock on their door as they are not likely to answer the telephone on Yom Kippur.

PanAmMIA · #6 Postby **PanAmMIA** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:43 pm

ObsessedMiami wrote:I dont know if anyone has mentioned this (and I apologize if they have) but with Yom Kippur coming up, many of our Jewish friends in the community will not be listening to radios/tvs during Jeanne's approach. So if you are a goyim like me with Jewish friends, keep an eye out for them and keep them updated. Besides, this is the time to be neighborly anyway.

Actually there may be many Jews out there who know of the approach of Jeanne. Jewish law permits the use of a radio or television on the Shabbat. The only caveat is that it cannot be turned either on or off, nor can the channel be changed, on Shabbos. This rule of Jewish law, Halacha, applies to observant Orthodox and many Conservative Jews, with exceptions made to prevent loss of life or harm to others. Hope this helps.....
Mike

siobhan222 · #7 Postby **siobhan222** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:32 am

Jews are allowed to set aside proscribed Jewish law in times of emergency. if they don't know what's going on, it will be tough for them to act.

If anyone can help their Jewish neighbors by bringing them supplies, it would be a wonderful thing to do right now. This is the highest holiday of the year.

Siobhan

ColdFront77 · #8 Postby **ColdFront77** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:54 am

ObsessedMiami wrote:I dont know if anyone has mentioned this (and I apologize if they have) but with Yom Kippur coming up, many of our Jewish friends in the community will not be listening to radios/tvs during Jeanne's approach. So if you are a goyim like me with Jewish friends, keep an eye out for them and keep them updated. Besides, this is the time to be neighborly anyway.

It was mentioned here early Friday morning when the National Hurricane Center made initial note of it. I don't find a problem
with a seperate thread being posted for the issue. I figured it would eventually be posted... and for a very good reason.

Ivanova · #9 Postby **Ivanova** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:01 am

Some Florida counties are more heavily populated by jews
than others... Boca Raton-Delray Beach, Palm Beach, and
Broward... is Jeanne steering anywhere near these counties ??

:?:

siobhan222 · #10 Postby **siobhan222** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:14 am

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scogor · #11 Postby **scogor** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:49 am

Friends, I am actually leading services today in Georgia (and am wondering if my wife, older daughter and I will be able to fly back to Tampa tomorrow)...my younger daughter remains at home in Sarasota and I am checking this site and the NHC site regularly as I consider her well being in this situation justification for "breaking" the rules of Yom Kippur and our sabbath. Believe me, I will be praying for the safety of everyone in Jeanne's path!! Shana tova to you all!!

scogor · #12 Postby **scogor** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:59 am

Friends, I am actually leading services today in Georgia (and am wondering if my wife, older daughter and I will be able to fly back to Tampa tomorrow)...my younger daughter remains at home in Sarasota and I am checking this site and the NHC site regularly as I consider her well being in this situation justification for "breaking" the rules of Yom Kippur and our sabbath. Believe me, I will be praying for the safety of everyone in Jeanne's path!! Shana tova to you all!!

siobhan222 · #13 Postby **siobhan222** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:39 am

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#14 Postby **tronbunny** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:54 am

Shana tova.
Please stay safe and reflect on your prayers, there, in Georgia.
The airports will be closed by 6pm EDT if not SOONER.

scogor · #15 Postby **scogor** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:19 am

Have a feeling that our flight to Tampa will not go off as scheduled. Will have to tell my 16 year old and our housekeeper to take the plants in, put the lawn furniture in the pool and prepare for an interesting 24 hours...

PanAmMIA · #16 Postby **PanAmMIA** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:45 am

The following represents the Orthodox perspective towards Halacha during a Hurricane.
Mike

Shabbat Protocols in Case of a Hurricane

The following Shabbat Protocols in Case of a Hurricane were produced by Rav Kenneth Brander of the Boca Raton Synagogue with thanks to Rav Hershel Schachter for his guidance. Please consult with your own congregational rabbi in specific instances where a hurricane is expected.

1. Minyan

If a hurricane is happening on Shabbat, stay home!
Try to prearrange with your rabbi to have the congregation lain two parshiyot on the next Shabbat.

2. Electricity

If there is no electricity on Shabbat and the storm is over AND if civil authorities declare the area safe...

Minyan should take place only during daylight hours.

If there is electricity, services are held as regularly scheduled.

3. Assume no Eruv

Carrying permitted for life/limb threatening situations.

Carrying permitted for individuals who need medical attention without which a person's functionality is compromised, (even for a bed-ridden headache). In this case carrying should be done, only if possible, in an irregular fashion (i.e. carrying medicine in ones belt or shoe).

Carrying permitted to allow a baby, infirm seniors or a child traumatized by the event to function without compromise. In this case carrying should be done, if possible, in a irregular fashion (i.e. two people carrying or wheeling the stroller/person.)

4. Use of candles & Flashlights

Use yahrzeit or hurricane candles lit before Shabbat placed in designated locations.

Hang/place lit flashlights with fresh batteries in key locations before Shabbat.

If flash light/candle goes out:

When necessary (to take care of children, to eat etc..) and there is no other light a non-Jew can relight or change batteries

If not having the light may create a life threatening situation, you may do it yourself

Moving candles and flashlight is permitted in the following situations:

For any medical concerns no matter how slight

Carrying permitted for comfort and welfare of seniors and children under eight (or above eight years old when child is traumatized by the event)

When possible, moving a candle, should be done by two individuals

5. Television or Radio

TV or radio should be left on in a side room

Channel should not be changed

Volume on radio may be adjusted on Shabbat. Better to keep it on low for it preserves the battery and only raise it when necessary.

Questions: Call Rabbi Kenneth Brander - (561) 702-9171
Call Rabbi Efrem Goldberg - (561) 702-4198

For Further Questions:
Rabbi Mayer Waxman - 212-613-8285

Questions: Call Rabbi Kenneth Brander - (561) 702-9171
Call Rabbi Efrem Goldberg - (561) 702-4198

The Shabbat Protocols in Case of a Hurricane were produced by in 2003 and updated in 2004 by Rav Kenneth Brander of the Boca Raton Synagogue with thanks to Rav Hershel Schachter for his guidance..

al79philly · #17 Postby **al79philly** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:08 am

This whole topic is ridiculous! (no offense PanAm or anyone else - I know you are just trying to provide helpful information.)

Carrying permitted to allow a baby, infirm seniors or a child traumatized by the event to function without compromise. In this case carrying should be done, if possible, in a irregular fashion (i.e. two people carrying or wheeling the stroller/person.)

This is ridiculous - take care of your kids - that is your number one priority! Forget an irregular fashion.

It makes me angry to see that people may be putting their lives in peril for this.... It seems to me like the Jewish faith puts century-old pointless traditions over the well-being of its believers.... That is just wrong...

Ivanova · #18 Postby **Ivanova** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:06 pm

The way I understand it...

The beginning of the year is Rosh Hashanah...
day of God's judgment... then there are 10 days
of repentance before God's judgment is sealed...
Yom Kippur is the last of those 10 days...

Hurricane Ivan made landfall on Rosh Hashanah...
God's day of judgment... and now Hurricane Jeanne
is storming in on Yom Kippur, the last day of repentance...

What happens AFTER sundown ?! :eek:

PanAmMIA · #19 Postby **PanAmMIA** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:20 pm

al79philly wrote:This whole topic is ridiculous! (no offense PanAm or anyone else - I know you are just trying to provide helpful information.)

Carrying permitted to allow a baby, infirm seniors or a child traumatized by the event to function without compromise. In this case carrying should be done, if possible, in a irregular fashion (i.e. two people carrying or wheeling the stroller/person.)

This is ridiculous - take care of your kids - that is your number one priority! Forget an irregular fashion.

It makes me angry to see that people may be putting their lives in peril for this.... It seems to me like the Jewish faith puts century-old pointless traditions over the well-being of its believers.... That is just wrong...

No offense taken

What may seem to you to be arbitrary and pointless rules are what have kept the Jewish people functioning throughout the ages. One could make an argument that the bonds within the Jewish family in America are indeed stronger than bonds which exist in other family 'models,' at least as far as closeness and decadence is concerned. I don't think you could point to a single Jewish resident of SE Florida during recent storm events (Frances and now Jeanne) and claim any child or family has been harmed because of Halacha.
Kesivah Vechasimah Tovah.
Mike

MBryant · #20 Postby **MBryant** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:15 pm

While I am not Jewish, I respect those who value devotion to God above practical concerns of most secular peoples. None of the "silly" things which are advised prohibit taking the actions required for the health and safety of it's members.

I do remember a Rabbi who long ago, when admonished for picking grain to eat on the Sabbath, reminded his detracters that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

I do hope that all of those on the East Coast of Florida, especially those on the barrier islands, have evacuated inland from Jeanne.

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