Ivan a category 2 at landfall..

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Ivan a category 2 at landfall..

#1 Postby Anonymous » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:42 am

I hear some people telling me data says Ivan hit at 110-115 mph...
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#2 Postby bahamaswx » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:44 am

Wow. Another one of these threads.

By the way: 110-115mph is Cat3.
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#3 Postby yoda » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:45 am

bahamaswx wrote:Wow. Another one of these threads.

By the way: 110-115mph is Cat3.


Who are these people Floydbuster?

110 is Cat 2... :lol:
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#4 Postby Foladar » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:45 am

111-115 is cat 3, and not another :(
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#5 Postby mtm4319 » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:46 am

Cat 2 storms don't cause $10 billion in damages.
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#6 Postby FLLuckyAgain » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:47 am

What a friggin Joke...30 ft surge does not happen in a 110MPH storm
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#7 Postby bahamaswx » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:47 am

yoda wrote:
bahamaswx wrote:Wow. Another one of these threads.

By the way: 110-115mph is Cat3.


Who are these people Floydbuster?

110 is Cat 2... :lol:


And thus 110-115mph can be assumed to be Cat3.
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#8 Postby yoda » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:47 am

mtm4319 wrote:Cat 2 storms don't cause $10 billion in damages.



Yes they can...
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#9 Postby Foladar » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:49 am

bahamaswx wrote:
yoda wrote:
bahamaswx wrote:Wow. Another one of these threads.

By the way: 110-115mph is Cat3.


Who are these people Floydbuster?

110 is Cat 2... :lol:


And thus 110-115mph can be assumed to be Cat3.


not if a 110mph storm is a cat 2.
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#10 Postby mtm4319 » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:49 am

yoda wrote:
mtm4319 wrote:Cat 2 storms don't cause $10 billion in damages.



Yes they can...


Maybe if it hit Miami or NO or something. My point is that this was a cat 4 until an hour before landfall, and it didn't weaken by two categories in an hour.
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#11 Postby dhweather » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:54 am

A lot of the damage on the beach in FL/AL from Ivan was the battering waves on top of the surge.
I suspect that the surge for Ivan was only 10ft or so, but some "lucky" spots got hit with 20 foot waves on to of that. Say the I-10 bridge for example.
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#12 Postby bahamaswx » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:55 am

Foladar wrote:
bahamaswx wrote:
yoda wrote:
bahamaswx wrote:Wow. Another one of these threads.

By the way: 110-115mph is Cat3.


Who are these people Floydbuster?

110 is Cat 2... :lol:


And thus 110-115mph can be assumed to be Cat3.


not if a 110mph storm is a cat 2.


Must we really run on with this? I'm quite aware that 110mph is the borderline between Cat2 and Cat3. 110-115mph implies that the winds likely fall somewhere between the two values, thus Cat3.
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#13 Postby dhweather » Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:04 am

What if it's 110.9? :lol:
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#14 Postby Anonymous » Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:08 am

I only created this thread for talk on data.
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#15 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:21 am

H wind only analyzed 99KT a few hours before landfall, so it is possible that Ivan was a cat 2 based upon the data, though likely it was a marginal cat 3
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#16 Postby wxwatcher2 » Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:27 am

What I heard was that Ivan may have been right at the Cat 2/3 stage as it made landfall.
HOWEVER, the surge produced was above what a Cat 2/3 would normally produce because it was a Cat 5/4 then a 3 and the suge was above what the windspeed was at the time of landfall.

Go talk to the people who (foolishly) were still in their beachhomes and had water come flooding into the house. Measure the height from the normal sea up to their living rooms.
I think you will find the wind driven surge was 25 feet or so.

God Bless everyone in florida.

The good news is we'll survive Ivan, Jean, Charley, Frances, Bonnie.
The bad news is our psyche and nerves will NEVER be the same.
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#17 Postby birdwomn » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:48 am

I have unofficial info from the Army Corp of Engineers that the surge on the east end of Pensacola Beach (away from the worst of the damage) was a bit over 10 ft with 20 ft waves.

Please note, this was in areas where some homes were left basically intact and is in no way official info, just what was mentioned to one homeowner. Down on the west end of Pensacola Beach, it was a different story. Much worse.
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#18 Postby Scorpion » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:50 am

This is a joke. I just saw the damage photos of some of the high rises upper stories. Complete walls have been torn down. This is no Cat 2.
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#19 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:55 am

its not a total joke.

H Wind is extremely accurate and it only had 99KT of wind several hours before landfall
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#20 Postby Dean4Storms » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:59 am

A bunch of BS, there was a 10ft. storm surge here in Destin, FL. Usually you will find those who haven't been here to see it for themselves are the ones with the doubts. I've studied alot of wind damage effects over the years and I can tell you that I've seen evidence of winds OVER 150mph, like 36" steel billboard poles snapped.
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