CNN's Tuchman in Port St. Lucie says...

Tri-State_1925 · #1 Postby **Tri-State_1925** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:20 pm

that this is the worst he has experienced from any of the 4 storms. Remember he was the guy in Gulf Shores who around 2 AM said that Ivan wasn't as bad as what he experienced in Frances.

Actually, I don't know what to make of all that...

But there is a definite consensus that the winds are much worse than those in Frances.

Matthew5 · #2 Postby **Matthew5** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:22 pm

So he is saying that this is stronger then Ivan at landfall?

#3 Postby **JtSmarts** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:25 pm

Well Ivan was a weakining storm at landfall, and Jeanne is strengthining/holding steady. Now I know that Jeanne is definintly not as strong as Ivan, but I think the effects can be worse with intensifying storms rather than weakning, I guess. :?:

dwinpcola · #4 Postby **dwinpcola** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:30 pm

IVAN weak...............maybe he should have been here in the panhandle and been in the attics of our friends who have 5-7 feet of water in their homes. Ivan was a powerful storm and casued much damage to this area but that is lost to many of you. I feel sorry for the people on the east coast now. If this storm has the storm surge as Ivan , there may be more dead on the east coast then we had here.

dw

Tri-State_1925 · #5 Postby **Tri-State_1925** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:30 pm

I guess he is saying that this is worse than what he felt with Ivan. Although there seemed to be some controvery about the protection he got from surrounding buildings with Ivan...

In Melbourne and other places they are getting reports from on CNN, it sounds pretty rough in general.

~SirCane · #6 Postby **~SirCane** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:31 pm

That guy was NOT in the worst of Ivan-I'm telling you.

Pensacola got the worst of it. I kid you not. We were in the NE quad where the strongest winds were. The storm surge was unbelieveable. It was that of a CAT 5. I waited the thing out!

That guy doesn't have a clue. Ivan was pretty much maintaining strength at landfall. I still believe it was stronger than 130mph at landfall. It's eye stayed the same all the way till he hit land. It's eye was more impressive looking than any of the Hurricanes.

Good luck to those in Jeanne's path! Stay safe.

dwinpcola · #7 Postby **dwinpcola** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:34 pm

I agree with you SIRCANE

dw

seminolejd · #8 Postby **seminolejd** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:34 pm

Whether a storm is intensifying or not matters not in this matter. It just matters what the winds are at a particluar location at a certain time. Gulf Shores was spared because the overall storm was losing strength and the eastward jog meant the center of the storm missed it and missed it to the relatively light wind west side.

birdwomn · #9 Postby **birdwomn** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:39 pm

I agree with SirCane and dw as well having watched Ivan closely.

Perdido Key, FL & Orange Beach, AL seemed hardest hit to me.

~SirCane · #10 Postby **~SirCane** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:55 pm

Ivan wasn't really weakening hardly at all. It was pretty much maintaining strength. Not really a difference in a 130mph landfall and a 135mph landfall. We were getting pounded well before Ivan was said to be 130mph instead of 135.

The eye stayed impressive all the way to landfall- and that was one scary night. I was in Opal in 1995 and Erin and this one far surpassed them both. Opal was a 125mph weakening Hurricane. Ivan was not weakening like Opal.

Ivan surpassed my expectations and it's going to take at least a year to get any normalcy around here. Especially with that main bridge on I-10 being wiped out!!

Tri-State_1925 · #11 Postby **Tri-State_1925** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:56 pm

I'm not going to dispute what you went through in Pensacola. I know what Ivan looked like on satellite and radar...I was up at 4 AM. But I wouldn't completely dismiss what's going on in the other part of Florida right now. We'll see what it looks like in the morning. Maybe this guy can't gauge things very well.

~SirCane · #12 Postby **~SirCane** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:58 pm

Perdido Key is in the same county as Pensacola. Perdido got completely hammered too. I drive over there a lot. It's a disaster area.

~SirCane · #13 Postby **~SirCane** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:02 pm

Jeanne will do a lot of damage. It's a CAT 3 no doubt and I hope folks down there come out better than we did! It's no doubt more impressive than Frances.

But, Ivan was on the CAT 3/4 level at 130 or 135mph.

Jeanne is on the borderline 3/2 level at 115mph.

Ivan was also a CAT5 at one time-which is why I believe the surge was so incredibly bad. SO bad that it wiped out a main highway bridge.

#14 Postby **Steve** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:41 pm

His, "This is the equivallent of meteorological hell" (or whatever he said) was annoying. I hate reporters who use that phony journalistic voice. Nonetheless, CNN BY FAR has the best live coverage tonight out of TWC (our reporter had to seek shelter...), Fox or MSNBC.

TPS

dwinpcola · #15 Postby **dwinpcola** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:42 pm

The surge has caught me off guard here. What I have seen on hwy 90 and over at NAS Pensacola......all I can say is wow. I have to get to Perdido Key.............and I know the main beach is flat

Scenic hwy was very bad as well

dw

Tri-State_1925 · #16 Postby **Tri-State_1925** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:36 am

I hear you guys. There's no doubt Ivan was a stronger storm, and the surge was amazing. I personally believe that Tuchman was in some well protected area that affected his take on the storm, even if he wasn't in the most intense area. I also believe he was the one who touched off all the "Ivan isn't that strong" threads that night.

Tuchman said within the last half hour that of the storms he has been in, this storm most reminded him of Hurricane Hugo. I don't know where he was in Hugo, but that's a very bold statement. Still, I think the high intensity of this storm is being slowly realized.

NC George · #17 Postby **NC George** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 1:00 am

I think you are seeing the difference between Altantic Storm Surge and GOM Storm Surge here. I read earlier that of all the Atlantic Seaboard the the WPB area was least vunerable to surge due to rapid drop off of the ocean floor just miles off the coast, as well as a ridge near the coast that rises to 25 feet over sea level that stretches for 3 counties in the area. OTOH, the GOM , particularly the Pensacola area has the shallowest slope of anywhere on the Eastern Seaboard. This allows the water to reach heights higher than the same storm would produce on the Atlantic side, and thus more damage.

#18 Postby **Aslkahuna** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 1:03 am

that the St.Lucie EOC had winds of 110 mph G126mph. As far as Ivan is concerned, what is lost in all of the discussion is that the eyewall segment that passed over Gulf Shores was a relatively weak northern eyewall segment while the eastern eyewall segment that hit Pensecola was not only stronger but larger in width and length.

Steve

birdwomn · #19 Postby **birdwomn** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 1:22 am

exactly...the only reporters who can compare Ivan and Jeanne are the ones who were in Pensacola to the ones in Vero Beach/Ft.Pierce/Stuart as far as I can tell. The reporters in Mobile and Gulf Shores didn't get the wrost of Ivan so can't compare it.

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