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#1 Postby **seahawkjd** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:02 pm

I'm just interested in this, thinking about writing about it. What causes someone to wishcast a storm towards their location when it could cause so much death / destruction. It seems almost unconcious sometimes as in hindsight I have done it myself without even meaning to. What do you think?

Ola · #2 Postby **Ola** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:07 pm

Same way soldiers wish to be in combat. Same way some people like to jump out of planes.

We humans like thrills, and when it feels safe, we want to experiene them. The urge of course, is amplified by the feeling that we will be safe during the event because we have a safe place to be. But I garantee you, people that live in flood prone areas or own an expensive boat, or live in a mobile home, do not wishcast.

Scorpion · #3 Postby **Scorpion** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:12 pm

Yeah I think its because most of us here are so captivated by weather and hurricanes we actually want to experience them. I admit I was quite a wishcaster for Frances. And I have to say that I would wishcast again, because the whole experience especially the storm itself was great. Sure, for others its horrible, and I feel sorry for them, but for me it wasnt too bad. Kinda wish I stayed for Jeanne.

N2Storms · #4 Postby **N2Storms** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:14 pm

I think within each and every one of us resides a fascination with horror, tragedy and destruction. It's why people chase ambulances, fire trucks etc. There is a certain type of adrenaline rush that one gets from the anticipation of seeing something tragic or destructive. Also, there is so much hype as a storm is churning towards the U.S. Coastline, it's as if the storm itself takes on the personna of someone famous and that someone famous may visit your town. Now I realize that there are very few of us that actually want to see our property destroyed or have our lives seriously altered, but there is a morbid fascination with the powerful, destructive force of Mother Nature and when we have an opportunity to see it firsthand it can be overwhelming. I think we have all been guilty of -removed-, it's just that some people are so blatanly obvious about it that it becomes ridiculous. You know what? As much as I've learned about Wx on this board I think I can honestly sat that I've learned much more about human nature.

Sanibel · #5 Postby **Sanibel** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:24 pm

While this appears to be a genuine post asking about a particular phenomenon, the owners of this site have specifically requested that people refrain from using the term "-removed-" in a critical manner. Though they'll probably look the other way in this sort of case...

#6 Postby **seahawkjd** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:27 pm

Ok, I apologize if I broke proticol. This is just a question about the phenomina and thats the best way I could phrase it. Thanks for the responses.

Josephine96 · #7 Postby **Josephine96** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:30 pm

It's OK seahawk

#8 Postby **Betrock** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:50 pm

As a total amateur, I find myself indulging in 2 different forms of '-removed-'.

(I'm in Bradenton-just south of Tampa)

For Jeanne:
1) - ....It's going to turn, it will hit GA, NC, SC, etc.. It will turn, it will hit GA, NC, SC. It WILL turn. It WILL hit GA, NC, SC. It didn't.

2) Oh God, it's going to pass right over my house! It didn't.

I emailed friends/family a map I created in Global Tracks showing the Sat. 5am NHC forecast track and also the NHHC(Derek Ortt) track which was further west. I told them they better get more prepared than they were here in Manatee County. They all ignored me - 'Oh, your just paranoid!'
They were sure scuttling around later!!!

Patrick99 · #9 Postby **Patrick99** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:02 pm

Some people (points at myself) simply enjoy severe weather. I know it's not politically correct to say so, but I admit, I enjoy hurricanes, even strong ones.

weatherwoman · #10 Postby **weatherwoman** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:03 pm

why do the makers of this site not like -removed-? just wondering, i dont think anyone wants any harm to come to another, but some people just get excited when hurricanes affect them just like in the south when we get snow we are so excited we dont know what to do. its all the same, snow hurricane tornadoes sunshine its all weather and we can not controll it just learn to live with is and respect it

stormie_skies · #11 Postby **stormie_skies** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:10 pm

From what I understand (and, I admit, its not very much), the mods have had problems with people calling each others serious forecasts "-removed-" - intended as an insult. This usually results in quickly escalating a thread from guesses, analysis and observations to name calling and credential checking. Not fun - especially in a full room and with fast moving threads. I dont know if they would have a problem with this one - I hope not, because its not being done in an insulting or inflamatory manner.

I think most of us wishcast a little - I know I do, sometimes. We obviously are interested in these storms, or we wouldnt be here. I have to admit, I like a weak tropical system, one thats just enough to rattle a few windows, drop a few inches of rain and lets me stay home from work (hee hee :wink:

). I dont know if I would ever wish for or stick around for a major, tho...

Guest · #12 Postby **Guest** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:10 pm

Sanibel wrote:While this appears to be a genuine post asking about a particular phenomenon, the owners of this site have specifically requested that people refrain from using the term "-removed-" in a critical manner. Though they'll probably look the other way in this sort of case...

Thats pretty immature if that the case here because wishing a storm toward you or away from you doesnt work anyway.

Agua · #13 Postby **Agua** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:17 pm

No, I believe it's verboten because they find the use of the term to be derogatory; not that they are trying to discourage the practice.

Agua · #14 Postby **Agua** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:22 pm

stormie_skies wrote: I think most of us wishcast a little - I know I do, sometimes. We obviously are interested in these storms, or we wouldnt be here. I have to admit, I like a weak tropical system, one thats just enough to rattle a few windows, drop a few inches of rain and lets me stay home from work (hee hee ). I dont know if I would ever wish for or stick around for a major, tho...

I know that I don't. These storms scare the beejeezus out of me. I have never wished one to come in my way or tried to predict one to come my way. I have hoped against hope that they will veer to the east or west. If that's a form of reverse -removed-, then yeah, I do that.

jes · #15 Postby **jes** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:01 pm

Aqua -- I sure understand why you don't wishcast -- Camile is a legend in your area.

Agua · #16 Postby **Agua** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:49 pm

I wasn't on the Coast for Camille. I was ~ 90 miles north and a child of ~ 5-6. The center came right over our little town and a local airport recorded 120 mph sustained winds. It was terrifying. I think, honestly, that it gave me a very abnormal fear of these storms. I watch this forum and cane related sites almost obssessively. That's not to say I freak out over every swirl or TS out there, but if something gets in the Gulf I closely consider the commentary of our resident experts in determining what level of preparations, if any, I need to undertake.

Guest · #17 Postby **Guest** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:15 pm

-removed-...Some people reserve the right to want to feel the power of nature..Some people are just easily offended by something that they dont agree with.

Welcome to a free society.

huricanwatcher · #18 Postby **huricanwatcher** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:28 pm

TOTAL BOREDOM....... too

#19 Postby **Stephanie** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:17 pm

weatherwoman wrote:why do the makers of this site not like -removed-? just wondering, i dont think anyone wants any harm to come to another, but some people just get excited when hurricanes affect them just like in the south when we get snow we are so excited we dont know what to do. its all the same, snow hurricane tornadoes sunshine its all weather and we can not controll it just learn to live with is and respect it

One of the main reasons why we don't like "-removed-" is when we are following a storm and there's a projected path established by NHC, we have at that time alot of people in a panic situation about whether to leave, where to go, etc. "-removed-" would include someone saying that the storm was going to hit in an area that is not in that forecasted cone, etc. thus creating alot of confusion.

We've had ALOT of new members that have signed up this season looking for good, logical and reliable information. Someone throwing a curve ball out there undermines the seriousness of the situation and could cause someone to think that they are in the clear and stop preparations. It could be a life or death situation and minutes count.

Agua · #20 Postby **Agua** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:37 pm

Really Stephanie? Do you guys take care of this behind the scenes with PM and such? I don't know that I've ever seen anyone chided for what appears to be -removed-, but many times I've seen someone chided for *calling* another member a wishcaster. It leaves the distinct impression that S2K is not discouraging -removed- at all, but rather, discouraging people from accusing others of -removed-. When combined with the lack of public admonition for those who are making wild off the mark predictions, it makes it appear S2K is tacitly encouraging folks to engage in offering these "it's going to end up here" forecasts.

I swear I'm not being a smart alec. That's just the impression made upon me.

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