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Update: 2 dead in Tornado near Ridgeway, SC

#1 Postby Stormsfury » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:41 pm

Unfortunately, confirmed now ... 2 deaths in the tornado that struck near Ridgeway, SC in association with the strong band that developed last night ....

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PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE COLUMBIA SC
1134 PM EDT MON SEP 27 2004

..TIME...   ...EVENT...     ...CITY LOCATION...      ...LAT.LON...
..DATE...   ....MAG....     ..COUNTY LOCATION...ST.. ...SOURCE....
            ..REMARKS..

0908 PM     TORNADO          4 NNW RIDGEWAY          34.36N 80.99W
09/27/2004                   FAIRFIELD          SC   COUNTY OFFICIAL

            *** 13 INJ *** APPARENT TORNADO DAMAGED AT LEAST 7
            STRUCTURES. 25 TO 30 PEOPLE DISPLACED. 13 PEOPLE WERE
            TRANSPORTED TO A HOSPITAL. 2 RECEIVED CRITICAL INJURIES.
            SAND DOLLAR RD AND SCOUT LANE.
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#2 Postby SouthernWx » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:52 pm

Yes...sad news. We had a tornado fatality in NE Georgia when Ivan passed through week before last.

Wonder when was the last time Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina all had tornado fatalities in the same September? It had to be decades ago..because killer tornadoes are very unusual for this time of year in the southeast U.S.
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#3 Postby Stormsfury » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:06 pm

SouthernWx wrote:Yes...sad news. We had a tornado fatality in NE Georgia when Ivan passed through week before last.

Wonder when was the last time Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina all had tornado fatalities in the same September? It had to be decades ago..because killer tornadoes are very unusual for this time of year in the southeast U.S.


I really don't know how long it's been, Perry, but this September has absolutely shattered previous September records in regards to many statistical categories regarding both hurricanes and tornadoes spawned from tropical cyclones. SPC prelim count of tornadoes stands at 241 (which rips apart the previous 139 tornados for the month of September in 1967 ... I believe 80%-90% came from Beulah) ... ironically, May 2003 still holds the record ... final tornado numbers from SPC was 492 (down 54 from the prelim numbers) ...

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/torn/mont ... stats.html
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#4 Postby SouthernWx » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:22 pm

Mike, I just checked the NCDC Storm Events Database....

Since 1950, only three people in South Carolina have died in the month of September from tornadoes....2 near Dillon on 9/29/63 and another in a camper due to a F2 tornado in September 2000 in Allendale county (spawned by T.S. Helene). There was also a series of severe tornadoes in the Charleston on September 29, 1938...at least one rated F4 I believe, and they caused 38 fatalities (not sure if that outbreak was related to a tropical system or not....there were no hurricanes or tropical storms anywhere near the U.S. on that day).

There's no record of a tornado fatality during September in the state of Georgia, at least since 1950...the lady who perished in Franklin county on 9/17/04 was the first :(

It's definitely been a wild and wooly September...for hurricanes and hurricane-spawned tornadoes across the southeast.
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#5 Postby ROCK » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:32 pm

I thought TS's produced only F1's in the NE quad eye wall. Has there been any documentation on just how strong tornados have gotten within a TS?? F3 maybe but surely nothing above that......Just thought it would be interesting to know.....
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#6 Postby Stormsfury » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:32 pm

The September 1938 tornadoes weren't as strong as F4 ... according to the CHS WFO were a series of 5 tornadoes, 3 F1's and 2 F2's and it was a deadly outbreak, the strongest tornadoes hit right on the Market (Market St in Downtown Charleston) ... a snippet below from the CHS WFO studies below and the link to the page

http://wchs.csc.noaa.gov/Studies/SvrWXC ... xclimo.htm

ATYPICAL TORNADOES

The data clearly show that strong tornadoes (F3 or higher) are highly atypical in the Charleston, SC, CWA. While unusual, they pose the deadliest threat to the region and are a difficult forecast challenge due to their anomalous nature. Two of the deadliest tornado events in the history of the Charleston CWA were highly atypical, and occurred before the time period covered by data used for this paper. The deadliest tornado in the history of the CWA occurred in Georgia on 25 April 1929, at 2200 EST; at least 40 people were killed and 300 injured. The tornado was highly unusual in its time of occurrence, size, and duration; it is also the only F4 tornado ever recorded in the CWA. It had an average path width of 800 yards, reaching a path width of 1 mile in Bulloch County, where 31 people were killed. The 55-mile path length was the longest on record (Grazulis 1993).

Another significant tornado outbreak occurred in and around Charleston on 29 September 1938, at approximately 0800 EST, a climatologically rare time of day for tornado development. Five tornadoes (three F1s and two F2s) were reported in the Charleston area. The two F2 tornadoes occurred within 10 minutes of each other and followed parallel tracks 1.7 miles apart through the city. The first tornado occurred at 0750 EST, killing five people and injuring 20 others. Its path was fairly typical, with an average width of 100 yards and length of 2 miles. The second tornado occurred at 0800 EST and caused 27 deaths and 80 injuries along a 3-mile path that averaged 70 yards wide (Grazulis 1993).

Although these types of tornadoes are climatologically rare, they can, and do, form under the proper conditions. This knowledge, combined with environmental analysis using observations, Doppler radar, satellite, and model data will allow forecasters to anticipate and warn for these atypical severe weather events.
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#7 Postby Stormsfury » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:37 pm

ROCK wrote:I thought TS's produced only F1's in the NE quad eye wall. Has there been any documentation on just how strong tornados have gotten within a TS?? F3 maybe but surely nothing above that......Just thought it would be interesting to know.....


I think Beulah has the strongest tornado observed from a tropical cyclone on our side of the ocean, an F4 ... I know that Gilbert spawned an F3 in Texas after it had made landfall ...

Beulah still holds the record for most tornadoes spawned by a ATL tropical cyclone, but both Frances and Ivan rank 2nd and 3rd now ... Frances spawned a record outbreak in South Carolina with a prelim count of at LEAST 34 ... 22 confirmed tornadoes just in the CAE WFO CWA alone ... CHS hasn't reported back yet on just how many (only GSP, CAE, and ILM which handles NE SC have come out with Frances' tornado counts) ...

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#8 Postby ROCK » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:44 pm

Stormsfury wrote:
ROCK wrote:I thought TS's produced only F1's in the NE quad eye wall. Has there been any documentation on just how strong tornados have gotten within a TS?? F3 maybe but surely nothing above that......Just thought it would be interesting to know.....


I think Beulah has the strongest tornado observed from a tropical cyclone on our side of the ocean, an F4 ... I know that Gilbert spawned an F3 in Texas after it had made landfall ...

Beulah still holds the record for most tornadoes spawned by a ATL tropical cyclone, but both Frances and Ivan rank 2nd and 3rd now ... Frances spawned a record outbreak in South Carolina with a prelim count of at LEAST 34 ... 22 confirmed tornadoes just in the CAE WFO CWA alone ... CHS hasn't reported back yet on just how many (only GSP, CAE, and ILM which handles NE SC have come out with Frances' tornado counts) ...

SF




Thanks Stormsfury. I learn something new on here every night.. :D ..btw I read you often on here..Very informative posts this season...thanks
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#9 Postby SouthernWx » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:58 pm

My mistake Mike....I was going on information I read many years ago in some old NSSFC documents that called the 1938 Charleston tornadoes "severe"; an attached map of southeastern U.S. violent tornadoes 1916-1970 had two in Charleston listed.

Rock, as for severe tornadoes occurring in association with tropical storms and hurricanes, it doesn't take a major hurricane to spawn F3 tornadoes. I've seen tropical storms spawn them....in Alabama, in South Carolina. It's the enviroment surrounding the tropical cyclone that makes the difference. If a T.S. or hurricane gets tangled up with a cold front, or dry air is coming into the system from the rear...the deep tropical low that is the T.S. can react just as a deep springtime cyclone (low pressure area)..

I only know of two F4 tornadoes spawned by Atlantic hurricanes since 1950....one at Galveston, Texas as hurricane Carla made landfall on September 11-12, 1961 (8 dead)...and the other spawned by hurricane Hilda in Larose, Lousiana on October 3, 1964 (22 fatalities) I'm not aware of an F4 in association with hurricane Beulah, although at least six tornadoes in south Texas were rated F3 (per the NCDC database).

Regarding the April 25th, 1929 SE Georgia tornado.....several NWS forecasters and tornado historians I've spoken with over the years about this outbreak say that particular tornado may have been of F5 intensity....it caused total destruction in the Statesboro, Georgia area.
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