GFS.....WGulf in 7 to 10 days....

This is the general tropical discussion area. Anyone can take their shot at predicting a storms path.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Forum rules

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K. For official information, please refer to products from the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service.

Help Support Storm2K
Message
Author
Stratosphere747
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 3772
Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:34 pm
Location: Surfside Beach/Freeport Tx
Contact:

GFS.....WGulf in 7 to 10 days....

#1 Postby Stratosphere747 » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:41 pm

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... 0_240l.gif


Not sure if this is Tropical....And I know that the GFS has been off this year...But just interesting none the less...Plus I'm just bored after the last few months which to be honest is a good thing..
0 likes   

User avatar
yoda
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 7874
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:51 pm
Location: Springfield VA (20 mins south of DC)
Contact:

#2 Postby yoda » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:44 pm

GFS = Full of crap....

But we will see...
0 likes   

User avatar
Agua
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1138
Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2003 4:54 pm
Location: Biloxi, Mississippi

#3 Postby Agua » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:45 pm

Hmmm... Given the consistent North and East bias of the GFS this year, it will probably end up in the Eastern Pacific. :P
0 likes   

User avatar
yoda
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 7874
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:51 pm
Location: Springfield VA (20 mins south of DC)
Contact:

#4 Postby yoda » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:46 pm

Agua wrote:Hmmm... Given the consistent North and East bias of the GFS this year, it will probably end up in the Eastern Pacific. :P
:roflmao:
0 likes   

User avatar
KatDaddy
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2815
Joined: Mon Oct 21, 2002 6:23 pm
Location: League City, Texas

#5 Postby KatDaddy » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:31 pm

First off glad I am bored tropically this season and my heart goes out to my Floridian friends.............very tough season we will never forget.

Secondly TX has been struck by quiet a few OCT storms AND a NOV storm in 1592 but that can be debated.

With the warming of the planet which we cannot deny.......to much proof over the past few years for me not to believe this is occuring......Oct TX hurricane threats will likely increase.

If Lili was 200 miles W of landfall the Upper TX Coast would have experienced TS conditions.

Times are a changing so count your blessings if you were not impacted by a tropical cyclone which includes all of us from Brownsville, TX to Portland, Maine.

On a side note Japan broke a landfall record for typhoons..............8........1990-6 previously
0 likes   
The following post is NOT an official forecast and should not be used as such. It is just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is NOT endorsed by any professional institution including storm2k.org For Official Information please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

User avatar
TS Zack
Category 4
Category 4
Posts: 925
Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:23 pm
Location: Louisiana
Contact:

#6 Postby TS Zack » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:35 pm

Threat goes down from West to East as time goes by due to the stronger and stronger fronts coming dwon but I wouldn't doubt anything this year.
0 likes   

Sanibel
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 10385
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:06 pm
Location: Offshore SW Florida

#7 Postby Sanibel » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:41 pm

I think that model shows a trough over the US that would mean the system would be going NE and away from Texas...
0 likes   

Stratosphere747
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 3772
Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:34 pm
Location: Surfside Beach/Freeport Tx
Contact:

#8 Postby Stratosphere747 » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:41 pm

KatDaddy....Have nothing but love for you since you are a fellow Texan..:)...But anything from 1592 can be more than debated....LOL...

We have only had 4 Hurricanes to strike Texas since 1900...

So history shows us that we should be safe...

But history is not quite on "track" this year...
0 likes   

User avatar
TS Zack
Category 4
Category 4
Posts: 925
Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:23 pm
Location: Louisiana
Contact:

#9 Postby TS Zack » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:44 pm

Yea history isnt reapeating this year its creating.
0 likes   

Stormcenter
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 6685
Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:27 am
Location: Houston, TX

#10 Postby Stormcenter » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:46 pm

Stratosphere747 wrote:KatDaddy....Have nothing but love for you since you are a fellow Texan..:)...But anything from 1592 can be more than debated....LOL...

We have only had 4 Hurricanes to strike Texas since 1900...

So history shows us that we should be safe...

But history is not quite on "track" this year...


In my opinion anything before satellite and recon was around can be debated.
0 likes   

User avatar
KatDaddy
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2815
Joined: Mon Oct 21, 2002 6:23 pm
Location: League City, Texas

#11 Postby KatDaddy » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:55 pm

Ah Very true Stratosphere747. I just ran across the NOV storm at THe Weather Research site...........taken with many grains of salt and would like to dig deeper for the truth.

With that being said OCT TX storm are very very rare. 1949 and Jerry 1989 are the most current. I use Gilbert in 1988 as a baseline for the end of our hurricane season.

Juan in 1985 during the last few weeks of OCT was amazing. TS conditions across SE TX............of course hybrids have far ranging effects.

THXs for Love...........right back at ya! :)

Just think next year could be TX instead of our Floridian friend. For I truely hope not but I have learned from their posts.

What I have learned is faith, strength, and belief that only greatness can come from destruction. Something we should all think about
0 likes   
The following post is NOT an official forecast and should not be used as such. It is just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is NOT endorsed by any professional institution including storm2k.org For Official Information please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

Stratosphere747
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 3772
Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:34 pm
Location: Surfside Beach/Freeport Tx
Contact:

#12 Postby Stratosphere747 » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:07 pm

Untill this year Texas was the only state to have what happened to Florida...Of course that was back in 1886...But that shows you how rare this season is..

What I am afraid of is though is that we have entered an "era" of majors making landfall..

Dr.Gray and others have metioned this..
0 likes   

weatherlover427

#13 Postby weatherlover427 » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:14 am

yoda wrote:GFS = Full of crap....

But we will see...


GFS = Good For *censored* :lol:

It would be nice if the GFS could be believed sometimes though. Just not when it brings hurricanes into areas that don't need them. :(
0 likes   

User avatar
AussieMark
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 5858
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:36 pm
Location: near Sydney, Australia

#14 Postby AussieMark » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:36 am

Texas has been so lucky in recent years.

when Jerry hit in October 1989

just 2 Hurricane have hit since.

Bret in 1999 Category 3

Claudette 2003 Category 1
0 likes   

jlauderdal
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 7240
Joined: Wed May 19, 2004 5:46 am
Location: NE Fort Lauderdale
Contact:

#15 Postby jlauderdal » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:00 am

yoda wrote:GFS = Full of crap....

But we will see...


and if the gfs is full of crap what were your predictions inside of 48hrs with jeanne...i remember you a week today at about this time telling me and floydbuster on this board about all the shear ahead of jeanne. the gfs has been rather poor this year but lets not discount the modelyet...it could be right on this one. just because its bad with one system doesnt mean it will be bad with the next.
0 likes   

User avatar
vbhoutex
Storm2k Executive
Storm2k Executive
Posts: 29133
Age: 74
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:31 pm
Location: Cypress, TX
Contact:

#16 Postby vbhoutex » Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:39 am

Very good point!!! I am not even saying I like the GFS, but each model has its' biases as we all know. Each one will handle each system a little differently due to these biases. That is why it is so important to look at more than one model and to NOT RELY SOLEY ON MODELS when forecasting. Good old experience and common sense must also come into play if one is to truly do a good job of forecasting.
0 likes   
Skywarn, C.E.R.T.
Please click below to donate to STORM2K to help with the expenses of keeping the site going:
Image

User avatar
dhweather
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 6199
Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:29 pm
Location: Heath, TX
Contact:

#17 Postby dhweather » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:46 am

Good old experience and common sense - indeed!

I just wish the NHC would take their heads out of the model worlds sometimes and look atr these
systems.

It's going North, the models say so!

--satellite loop, due West
0 likes   

GalvestonDuck
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 15941
Age: 57
Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2002 8:11 am
Location: Galveston, oh Galveston (And yeah, it's a barrier island. Wanna make something of it?)

#18 Postby GalvestonDuck » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:57 am

I suppose it is interesting. Doesn't this also show it moving into the Panhandle of FL and then a second system (or the same?) redeveloping of the SE coast? http://www.arl.noaa.gov/ready-bin/anima ... e=tpptmslp
0 likes   

Rainband

#19 Postby Rainband » Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:34 am

I will go with the nogaps from now on the GFS wasn't very good with Jeanne. Seems to me when a storm track isn't cut and dry, the nogaps comes closer than the gfs. :wink:
0 likes   

User avatar
Huckster
Category 1
Category 1
Posts: 394
Age: 43
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:33 am
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
Contact:

#20 Postby Huckster » Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:47 am

KatDaddy wrote:Ah Very true Stratosphere747. I just ran across the NOV storm at THe Weather Research site...........taken with many grains of salt and would like to dig deeper for the truth.

With that being said OCT TX storm are very very rare. 1949 and Jerry 1989 are the most current. I use Gilbert in 1988 as a baseline for the end of our hurricane season.

Juan in 1985 during the last few weeks of OCT was amazing. TS conditions across SE TX............of course hybrids have far ranging effects.

THXs for Love...........right back at ya! :)

Just think next year could be TX instead of our Floridian friend. For I truely hope not but I have learned from their posts.

What I have learned is faith, strength, and belief that only greatness can come from destruction. Something we should all think about


The Lake Charles NWS has a great compilation of info about Texas hurricanes.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/lch/research/txhur.htm

Scroll down to see the different periods and storms. There's a hurricane mentioned as having hit Galveston in Nov. 1527, and another one that apparently must have passed rather close in 1590. Also, another hurricane apparently struck in Nov. 1839. My guess is that they were possibly real hurricanes. After all, Texas probably has to get a storm in November, every few hundred years. There are some big gaps in the historical data, but I think this info confirms that storms do hit there at least on a rare occasions. My reasoning as to why my guess about why they were real is this, that they actually "hit" as opposed to just moving close, that would imply at least a north, or maybe even nnw movement. Other "off season" storms in the Gulf that might have been confused with hurricanes would be storms like the 1993 Superstorm and the hurricane in 1846 in LA. There's a record of a hurricane hitting LA in April of 1846, but my guess, based on how early it was and that it was moving NE apparently, is that it was probably not tropical. I guess we'll never know for sure, just my thoughts though.
0 likes   


Return to “Talkin' Tropics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 255 guests