Why only Charley will be retired this year

[Stormcenter]

I just don't seem them retiring Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne this year. The storms where big, costly, and killed lots of people but it takes more than that to retire a storm. So in the end I doubt these names will get retired.

All above will be retired.

[jpigott]

Derek - where can i get my hands on those charts you are referring to?

[GalvestonDuck]

Charley, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne are all gone, probably Gaston as well

I know Allison was retired. How many TS's get retired?

[Scorpion]

Jeanne? I doubt it was greater than 120. The damage is not nearly as bad as Ivan. Ivan caused many condominium towers to lose parts of their walls. Thats not from the surge. Also alot of wind damage inland. However, that may also be because the codes arent very strict up in Pensacola and the buildings were old. But still, if Jeanne was almost a Cat 4 I think it would have done a little more damage than what it did.

[Derek Ortt]

Here is the H-wind for Ivan. This is compliments of NOAA-HRD

ftp://ftp.aoml.noaa.gov/pub/hrd/hwind/2 ... l02deg.png

the landfall of Jeanne did indicate 112KT, but it has been taken down for now, likely due to the need for further post processing.

The surge damage should be much greater with Ivan as the EC of Florida does not have much surge, it is similar to Cayman in that it has very high waves, but a smaller surge; thus, the surge in the GOM goes farther inland. However, I have seen the barrier islands nearly destroyed with Jeanne

[Stormsfury]

Charley, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne are all gone, probably Gaston as well

I know Allison was retired. How many TS's get retired?

Allison is the only tropical storm of record that's retired without ever reaching hurricane status ...

Put things in perspective .... Charley, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne so FAR have also caused a combined estimate of $46 BILLION in damage alone

and EACH storm has been estimated to have surpassed Hugo's 1989 total damage ... each one ...

[Ixolib]

Jeanne? I doubt it was greater than 120. The damage is not nearly as bad as Ivan. Ivan caused many condominium towers to lose parts of their walls. Thats not from the surge. Also alot of wind damage inland. However, that may also be because the codes arent very strict up in Pensacola and the buildings were old. But still, if Jeanne was almost a Cat 4 I think it would have done a little more damage than what it did.

Keep in mind too that many of those walls are not much more than foam insulation and stucco affixed to steel and concrete. While I agree the winds were significant, the "walls" of many of those condos can be blown off pretty easily - especially if there was a pre-existing flaw. Unless the surge destroyed or weakened the foundations, the structures are going to still be pretty much intact.

[Scorpion]

Oh yeah, I was guessing that too. Because some condos down here had the stucco and foam ripped off from Jeanne. But Ivan looked to have damaged some of the structural parts.

[Ixolib]

Oh yeah, I was guessing that too. Because some condos down here had the stucco and foam ripped off from Jeanne. But Ivan looked to have damaged some of the structural parts.

Ivan actually destroyed a lot of the structural parts - but primarily where the foundations were compromised by surge and pounding seas. Once the foundation fails, all bets are off for the rest of the structure.

[ohiostorm]

Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne caused MAJOR flooding in the mid- atlantic and parts of Ohio. Werent just threats to the SOutheast. We are still cleaning up.

[Buck]

All four are gone, DEFINATELY. Gaston- Good chance.

I wish they would retire Alberto even now after 11 years from what it did in Alabama and Georgia in 1993. Its not too late. I will forgive them for waiting so long.

[Hurricane_Apu]

Allison was retired because of 6+ billion $ in damages and 40+ deaths... it is also notable for being the only tropical cyclone to cause damage in EVERY state on the U.S. Gulf and Atlantic coasts...

[tronbunny]

Jeanne? I doubt it was greater than 120. The damage is not nearly as bad as Ivan. Ivan caused many condominium towers to lose parts of their walls. Thats not from the surge. Also alot of wind damage inland. However, that may also be because the codes arent very strict up in Pensacola and the buildings were old. But still, if Jeanne was almost a Cat 4 I think it would have done a little more damage than what it did.

Scorpion,

Have you read Dr. Gray's report, yet?
Does it change your perception about Jeanne?

posted by MW: http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/forecasts/2004/oct2004/

[NC George]

Will Gaston be retired?

It shouldn't be. Bertha and Bonnie were both actual hurricanes that struck the NC coast and they didn't retire those names.

[Derek Ortt]

gaston wiped out large portions of Richmond and was much more destructive overall than Bertha and Bonnie combined

[~SirCane]

EarthStormFire,

NO WAY on earth will Ivan not be retired. That thing was the 6th most intense Hurricane in history! A CAT 5. It did a TON of damage to this area and had a CAT 5 Storm Surge. NO WAY IT IS NOT RETIRED.

Ivan is History now.

[AussieMark]

as has been said the 4 big storms to hit the US will be retired.
(not saying that only US storms get retired but this years crop have been extremely devastating)

in Bill Grays October report he has estimated damages as follows.

Charley $15 Billion
Frances $9 Billion
Ivan $9 Billion
Jeanne $12 Billion

the actual range is

Charley $13-15 Billion
Ivan $6-12 Billion
Jeanne $8-16 Billion

[EDR1222]

I agree with you Derek, the whole list should be retired. Definately a terribly destructive season for many.

[jimbo]

Hurricane Charley made its initial United States landfall on August 13 near Punta Gorda, Florida as a Category 4 hurricane with estimated winds of 145 miles per hour. Charley then traversed northeast through the center of the state, severely affecting Orlando and Daytona Beach before reaching the Atlantic Ocean. Charley made three additional landfalls: first at Cape Romain, SC with estimated winds of 80 miles per hour, a second landfall near Myrtle Beach with estimated winds of 75 miles per hour, and a final landfall on Long Island, NY as a minimal tropical storm with estimated winds of 40 miles per hour. Preliminary damage estimates for this system are between 13-15 billion dollars. Charley is the second most expensive hurricane to hit the United States, behind only Hurricane Andrew of 1992.

http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/fo ... 4/oct2004/

[HurricaneBill]

Even if Ivan did not have winds of 100 knots, that does not necessarily mean he was not a Cat 3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 97 knots also represent Cat 3? However 97 probably gets rounded down to 95 knots.

My guess is that Ivan did look like he was falling apart at landfall. However, if he was not 130 mph at landfall, he was probably at least barely Category 3. Probably 111-115 mph.