Bastardi is Right... (about Recon)

[Steve Cosby]

Bastardi went off on a rant this afternoon that we wouldn't see the Vortex until after the advisory package comes out. He stated that they had done an analysis of the same over this season and it was clear, to them, that the Vortex messages are being held back.

In this case, the package came out at 2100Z. The Vortex message shows up in the NHC reconaissance archive at 2145Z but, yet, the advisory package was clearly written with the knowledge of this vortex. The Vortex time stamp is 2026Z.

The Vortex was posted in this forum at 3:50 by hiflyer (http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=49313&start=40). My first email notification from NHC was the Public Advisory at 3:16.

I don't exactly know what to think of that. On the one hand, the NHC is to be THE source for tropical forecasting. On the other hand, there are legitimate users of this data that need to know NOW. As Bastardi stated, there are people on the oil rigs in the Gulf right now that deserve to know what they are facing right now. You just have to wonder why.

[kevin]

Very strange.

[chadtm80]

Its there data, and I suppose they can release it as they see fit.. The 40 minute wait put NO ONE in danger

[Steve Cosby]

The 40 minute wait put NO ONE in danger

No, you can't say that. Can a tropical storm only form every six hours? If the gulf workers need to spin up the helicopter, that 40 minutes is precious.

[Dean4Storms]

(or Republican ) country.

Ah, geez...

Ditto, sounds more like a DemocRAT!

[WeatherEmperor]

Sure we do pay our taxes that support most if not all of the hurricane research that is going on. But so do the employees and workers that make the research possible. Just have faith in confidence in their work. You wouldnt want them to criticize your work now would you?

<RICKY>

[hiflyer]

I think...but it's just my guess...that about the same time the vortex flew they were upgrading to a TD...the NRL moved the designator at that time...and I pulled the vortex off the NHC FTP site within a couple mins of it coming up. Don't think there was a consipiracy....think that instead several things started happening at once....

[Sanibel]

The floater aimer should be fired. We have a tropical storm and it STILL isn't framed...

[x-y-no]

I've been trying to understand why it takes so long for recon and vortex messages to become available. Presumably, they get them digitally from the aircraft, so it would be a simple matter to automate dumping them into the FTP directory. Should take seconds - certainly less than a minute.

Some of the delay may be that the aircraft doesn't transmit right away, I suppose. And one could have communication problems transmitting from inside a tropical system, of course. It really doesn't seem that accounts for all of it, though.

[Steve]

>>Ditto, sounds more like a DemocRAT!

Hey guys, just to clear the record, I'm an Independent. I was just having some fun because of our current adminstration happens to be an "R". I vote D, R or L depending on who I think does the best job, and I will keep such comments off the weather forum because it's obviously a charged political season. So my apologies to anyone who was offended.

Still, recon reports are all of our properties as US citizens. I trust the NHC as does everyone else. But they are not above reproach or questioning. That's all. Sorry if anyone was offended and I have apologized to Chad.

Steve

[hiflyer]

this went up 7 mins after issue onto the FTP site for the nhc
URNT11 KNHC 082308
97779 23084 61232 94700 03000 27016 26231 /0008 43010
RMK AF966 02DDA INVEST OB 22

ftp://ftp.nhc.noaa.gov/pub/products/nhc/recon/

it took 20 mins to get the last vortex onto the FTP site....

I suspect there must be some manual work to do to get it thru...

[Derek Ortt]

Bastardi is a moron, plain and simple

a vortex message was out more than an hour before the NHC issued an advisory

[Stormsfury]

hiflyer's right ...

TPC has to deal with media, inputting information, uploading, reviewing, etc., etc., etc...

Believe me, through conference calls the TPC does to the WFO's around the Gulf Coast that are likely to be threatened in time, information will get to the oil rigs before we ever know about it ...

SF

[Stormsfury]

Bastardi is a moron, plain and simple

a vortex message was out more than an hour before the NHC issued an advisory

Tell us how you really feel ...

[PurdueWx80]

Bastardi's politically-based rants turned me off from his posts a while back. For some reason, my browser still lets me access the site, so I check out his views on WEATHER now and then. Some of the other posters (Lundberg particularly) also get overly political in their daily briefings. I paid for weather, not personal opinions on conspiracy theories or the state of the nation. I realize these are their personal sections of the Accuweather site, but I think they should watch the political content, or they will only turn people away.

[Stormsfury]

Bastardi's politically-based rants turned me off from his posts a while back. For some reason, my browser still lets me access the site, so I check out his views on WEATHER now and then. Some of the other posters (Lundberg particularly) also get overly political in their daily briefings. I paid for weather, not personal opinions on conspiracy theories or the state of the nation. I realize these are their personal sections of the Accuweather site, but I think they should watch the political content, or they will only turn people away.

They already have ... and the continued rants only serves to dig a deeper hole for AccuWx, especially when they totally screw up ... as for me, I'm about the WEATHER, and not politics ... If I want politics, I'll visit the political forum or watch the debate (highly unlikely on BOTH accounts) ...

SF

[Thunder44]

Bastardi's politically-based rants turned me off from his posts a while back. For some reason, my browser still lets me access the site, so I check out his views on WEATHER now and then. Some of the other posters (Lundberg particularly) also get overly political in their daily briefings. I paid for weather, not personal opinions on conspiracy theories or the state of the nation. I realize these are their personal sections of the Accuweather site, but I think they should watch the political content, or they will only turn people away.

I agree. They should stick to the weather. But I notice here that many posters also have their on rants going on in the political forum on this site. It seems that many people have the same amount of interest in the politics as they do in weather. I personally don't think there should be a "political forum" on weather site.

[ColdFront77]

Politics is an off topic on a weather board, as is sports. Both of them get clustered together
with the "general off topic" -- it is easier to filter through them when they are sorted in this way.

[Stormsfury]

Politics is an off topic on a weather board, as is sports. Both of them get clustered together
with the "general off topic" -- it is easier to filter through them when they are sorted in this way.

Right. The political forum was in response to keeping all the political threads off of Off Topic, and for those that are "politically charged" can do directly there, while many others feel like I do about politics ... the less I see, the better ...

SF

[Rainband]

I agree Mike