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#21 Postby James » Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:54 pm

:oops: I knew that... well it did!

I'm just going to slink away into the shadows and crawl under a rock for a while, lol.
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#22 Postby cycloneye » Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:55 pm

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#23 Postby Scorpion » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:13 pm

I think Ivan will be 115-120 mph at landfall, and Jeanne 125-130. Frances should be about 110.
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#24 Postby James » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:21 pm

That sounds reasonable.
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#25 Postby Hurricanehink » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:58 pm

Aww, Gaston was a T.S.
Hermine developed from a nearly stationary frontal zone over the subtropical Atlantic, the same frontal system that spawned Tropical Storm Gaston.
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#26 Postby cycloneye » Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:04 pm

Hurricanehink wrote:Aww, Gaston was a T.S.
Hermine developed from a nearly stationary frontal zone over the subtropical Atlantic, the same frontal system that spawned Tropical Storm Gaston.


Yes that is a hint from NHC that they will issue the Gaston report as Tropical Storm Gaston and not as Hurricane Gaston.
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#27 Postby Andrew92 » Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:06 pm

I actually recall from a post that Derek made a while back that according to one best track he saw, Gaston weakened to 50 KT before landfall. I could be wrong, but I thought he mentioned that a while back.

We'll see.

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#28 Postby Andrew92 » Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:36 pm

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2004jeanne.shtml

They haven't posted the link yet, but the Jeanne report is up.

More in a bit.

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#29 Postby cycloneye » Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:45 pm

Thanks Andrew for posting this important report that all were waiting including me because Jeanne made landfall here.As I read the report they have it as a tropical storm (70 Mph).

Jeanne made landfall as a tropical storm around 1600 UTC on September 15 across the southeastern coast of Puerto Rico. The observing site at San Juan Airport recorded a sustained wind of 43 kt and the St. Croix Airport reported a sustained wind of 45 kt. The highest reported storm total rainfall amount over the area was at Camp Garcia in Vieques, which recorded 23.75 in. Generally, total rainfall amounts averaged from 5 to 15 in with some locally higher amounts. This magnitude of rainfall produced major and historical flooding at many river forecast points within Puerto Rico. The U.S. and British Virgin Islands also experienced heavy flooding as implied by two reports of over 12 in of rain from St. Thomas.
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#30 Postby Andrew92 » Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:07 pm

Also about Jeanne:

-105 kt, 950 mb at landfall in Florida
-death toll over 3,000 in Haiti
-One direct death in Puerto Rico
-Two direct deaths in Florida
-One direct death in South Carolina
-Damage estimated to be $6.5 billion (give or take 25%)

I know, this took a while, I was putting the best track on my software.

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#31 Postby Scorpion » Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:26 pm

105 kt? That doesnt make much sense, especially them saying that it may have never even reached land with those winds. The winds here were quite a bit stronger than Frances, and everyone here agrees with that. Frances here had 95-100 mph winds, so Jeanne's wind should have been at least 110 or more around here, and this is the southern eyewall. The northern eyewall with the highest winds had to be at least 105 kts but likely more because of the large amounts of damage and alot of data supporting strong Cat 3.
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#32 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:06 pm

I'm not sure if the southern eye wall of Frances even had hurricane force winds. That storm was much more lopsided than was Jeanne
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#33 Postby Anonymous » Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:24 am

I tell you, I highly doubt Gaston was 50 kts. In the monthly sum-up they had him at 70 mph or 60 kts. I am starting to doubt the data used by Derek. Having Ivan as a weak CAT 2! Having what was clearly almost a hurricane as a minimal-modest tropical storm! Having Gloria at ONLY TS strength at landfall in the NE. I am starting to become skeptical.
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#34 Postby hurricanemike » Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:21 am

I c that my data didnt get into the unofficial data for Jeanne
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#35 Postby HurricaneBill » Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:23 pm

hurricanemike wrote:I c that my data didnt get into the unofficial data for Jeanne


They sometimes update the reports.
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#36 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:48 pm

the BT for Ivan will almost certainly be a cat 3, I never said BT for Ivan was a cat 2, but thats what the SFMR and surface obs support.

BT for Gaston is not a cane at landfall and not even close (which I flat out disagree with).

As for Gloria, well, it is officially a 75KT hurricane at landfall at LI, and I said that may have to be revised downward (which is consistent with 1996 edouard haing a 960mb pressure, yet being a tropical storm at a similar latitude)
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#37 Postby Scorpion » Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:55 pm

Frances had to have hurricane force winds in Palm Beach County. The damage is just too intense for TS winds. The only thing with Frances is that most everything was gust, as the winds would roar and then die back down again to 75 mph or less. I was outside, and there would be a very strong gust of about 90 or so and then subside for another 5 seconds before another one. Now with Jeanne, I disagree with the 105 kt landfall. For one, Ivan is likely to have a 105 kt landfall as well. And Jeanne was likely stronger than Ivan at landfall. Both had similar pressures, however Jeanne had a tighter core and was strengthening at landfall, opposite to Ivan.
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#38 Postby JtSmarts » Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:05 pm

BT for Gaston is not a cane at landfall and not even close (which I flat out disagree with).


Derek are you saying you believe Gaston was a cane at landfall?
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#39 Postby Stormsfury » Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:11 pm

I will tell you firsthand, Gaston was damn close to a hurricane ... 50 kts at landfall? NOT!! ... although, there were no sustained hurricane force winds reported on land, there were several reporting stations which recorded at least 55 kt sustained (65 mph) ... with several gusts coming in at 70 kts ...

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#40 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:29 pm

I think it was a 60KT storm at landfall. I do not know what is seen to justify a reduction to 50KT from 60KT 6 hours earlier, but maybe a late change will be made. I want to see the reasoning.

As an aside, the question should be, whyw as there not a morning recon mission for gaston when a hurricane warning was in effect?
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