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#21 Postby breeze » Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:47 pm

I believe there is good in all people of all faiths.

But, that's just IMO.
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#22 Postby breeze » Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:58 pm

I DO see what you're saying, Bill. The timing is all terribly wrong to
start converting. It's just that, this is an interesting topic!
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#23 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:35 pm

I have to admit a certain "bias" here...my wife constantly barrages me with HER SBC faith, and in past has called me "Satan" because I don't follow her peculiar beliefs (I'm Episcopalian).

"Good News", indeed? I got her "Good News" right here... :roll:
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#24 Postby breeze » Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:46 pm

Bill, I was raised Southern Baptist. The church that I was
brought up in is about 1/2 block down the main street from
my house, here. But, I have a very open mind, and I have
studied other religious beliefs, and, though they tell me that
conversion puts a certain "crown of glory" on your head in Heaven,
I fail to see how stirring up religious queries in Iraq is going to put
that crown on your head......We absolutely cannot run in there
yelling "Give your Soul to Jesus" when these people are standing there
saying, "Where's my water?" The basic necessities have to be met,
first!
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#25 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:58 pm

Sadly, she SUPPORTS massive evangelism..'nuff said.
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#26 Postby breeze » Sun Apr 13, 2003 7:00 pm

Oh, yikes! :o
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#27 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Apr 13, 2003 7:10 pm

Not a very "happy home" here, Annette...even "firehead" is about 2 seconds away from exploding...and it's everything I can do to keep him back from her.
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#28 Postby breeze » Sun Apr 13, 2003 7:27 pm

I try my very best to understand opinions from all faith...
It's no disrespect to the folks who've raised us, but,
sometimes, some of us use more than "that average 10%
of the human brain", and, we figure out that something
is gone awry! Try to keep firehead at bay, Bill - it's his
Mama, no matter what goes down.
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#29 Postby Stephanie » Sun Apr 13, 2003 7:31 pm

No, it is definately not time to go and "save" the Iraqis. Alot of them already feel that they are saved, by Allah and the coalition. Breeze made a good point - these people need basic necessities first, not someone "to show them the way".

Anyone, like the Jehovah's Witnesses that come around looking to "rescue and convert" means to me to turn and run the other way! I believe in God Almighty and that Jesus Christ was our lord savior. But everyone has the right to choose what and who they want to believe in. If we were to allow that to happen, it would further solidify in people's minds that we were there to occupy Iraq and not liberate it.
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#30 Postby ColdFront77 » Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:25 am

I echo what the majority is saying here. No rush on bringing Christianity to the Iraqi people.
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#31 Postby WidreMann » Mon Apr 14, 2003 4:53 pm

I keep seeing "not now", which is completely inexcusable as an answer. How about "not ever"? It isn't our job to convert them to Christianity anymore than it is their job to convert us to Islam (and how many people here would agree that that is the way to go?). It is nothing more than arrogance to assume that we need to convert them. If Christianity turns out to be the one and true path, then God will take care of those who weren't Christians. But we should not be the ones to make the judgement except for ourselves.
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#32 Postby streetsoldier » Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:24 pm

WidreMann, open your eyes...under the obvious headlines, this is, if not openly, a war of ideologies.

Apparently you are unaware that Islam, particluarly the Wahhabi cult (the same mentality that produced the Taliban and Osama) is the fastest growing religious-based organ in both Europe and America...our inner cities, our prisons have been converted into makeshift "madrasas" (Islamic theological schools), feeding on the "disenfranchised", the poor, criminals, and turning out thousands of hateful, dedicated Muslims who may well be described as an "internal clandestine force" awaiting orders.

This is no "conspiracy" flight of fancy; you know me to be much more than that. This "war" will take many years to finish...and the "enemy" ain't done yet.
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#33 Postby JQ Public » Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:28 pm

yeh it seems like a total conflict of interests. that is the last thing we want to be doing over there.
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#34 Postby WidreMann » Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:08 pm

WidreMann, open your eyes...under the obvious headlines, this is, if not openly, a war of ideologies.

Apparently you are unaware that Islam, particluarly the Wahhabi cult (the same mentality that produced the Taliban and Osama) is the fastest growing religious-based organ in both Europe and America...our inner cities, our prisons have been converted into makeshift "madrasas" (Islamic theological schools), feeding on the "disenfranchised", the poor, criminals, and turning out thousands of hateful, dedicated Muslims who may well be described as an "internal clandestine force" awaiting orders.

This is no "conspiracy" flight of fancy; you know me to be much more than that. This "war" will take many years to finish...and the "enemy" ain't done yet.
Hmm...I wonder why all of these extremists are taking hold? Did they just say, "let's make some evil"? No. They are feeding off the inability of western society to deal with these problems, or rather, the unwillingness of western society to deal with these problems. We can't fight them by converting them or using military force - no, that's like cutting of the top of a tree and expecting it to die. If we were to destroy Islam, and we still had these issues, something else would certainly take its place and we would be back to square one. If you want to continue to see them as "the enemy", then go ahead, but it is quite counterproductive and will lock us into a losing battle.
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#35 Postby deb_in_nc » Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:21 pm

I agree with Perry. If they want to keep their own religion let them. Talk about Holy War. If their religion gives them peace,I think that's great. They truly deserve it after what they've been through all these years. Freedom of religion is one of our rights,
is there some reason it shouldn't be theirs, too?
Show by actions. If I'm not interested in something
that's when I plant my feet and resist even more.

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#36 Postby JQ Public » Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:48 pm

hmmm good discussion! sorry for bringing it up from the recesses of the boards!
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#37 Postby Lindaloo » Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:22 pm

IMO I believe that Christianity needs to be restored back in that region, Israel too.

Widremann...I thought you were an aetheist (sp?) If I am wrong, sorry about that.
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#38 Postby streetsoldier » Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:34 pm

Uh, Lindaloo, may I interject a little lesson in history?

The "Fertile Crescent" was NEVER evangelized, save for very scattered outposts. This theological vacuum was ideal, therefore, for Mohammed to fill with Islam ("surrender to the Will of Allah") in the early 7th Century C.E., and subsequent Western missionaries, in the train of the Crusades, the Portuguese, Dutch, and eventually British, never bore fruit there.

How can there be a "return" to Christianity, in a region in which it didn't have a foothold in the first place?
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#39 Postby WidreMann » Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:49 pm

I just am not able to know enough to say there is or isn't a God. I do know that such a being would be so much beyond my comprehension, not only to understand, but to determine existence. I don't see anything wrong, though, with trying to find out, even if it never bears fruit in my life-time. But I won't settle on an answer as an easy way out.
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#40 Postby Lindaloo » Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:02 pm

Well I stand corrected Bill. Then we should reform them to Christianity. :D

Sorry Widremann... I got that wrong as well. I see no problem in it. That would make you agnostic(sp?) then right? I have a few friends that have trouble believing in the powers that be.
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