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#1 Postby Cookiely » Sun Dec 26, 2004 6:59 pm

Can anyone tell me what this radar represents?

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p ... ktbw.shtml
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#2 Postby W13 » Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:01 pm

No idea. :eek:

Didn't even load all the way for me ...
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#3 Postby Cookiely » Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:04 pm

W13 wrote:No idea. :eek:

Didn't een load all the way for me ...

Sorry. Try this link and click on the radar for Florida.
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/forecasts/ ... city=Tampa
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#4 Postby Brent » Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:07 pm

Looks like something erupted... :lol:

Probably ground clutter or something in the air... hopefully just birds, but why would they appear out of thin air? :eek:
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#5 Postby TexasSam » Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:08 pm

That's the radar in "clear air mode"...
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#6 Postby Brent » Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:08 pm

TexasSam wrote:That's the radar in "clear air mode"...


I think she knows that... look at the explosion of reds and oranges northeast of Tampa.
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#7 Postby W13 » Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:12 pm

Wow, I really have no clue as to what could be doing that. I am going to go with Brent's theory, though. Weird stuff. :eek:
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#8 Postby Cookiely » Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:17 pm

Brent wrote:
TexasSam wrote:That's the radar in "clear air mode"...


I think she knows that... look at the explosion of reds and oranges northeast of Tampa.

I've looked at this radar a lot and never seen anything remotely like this.
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#9 Postby W13 » Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:19 pm

Maybe it's severe t-storms that popped up out of nowhere? :?:
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#10 Postby wxguy25 » Sun Dec 26, 2004 8:34 pm

There’s nothing strange about that radar image at all. Its just ground clutter. The reason why this happens is b/c the radar beam is bending more toward the surface as a result of a weak temperature inversion over the region. This process is called SUPERREFRACTION.

If we take a look at the 23z Sounding at TPA, we can see that there are two primary layers of temperature inversion (where the temperature actually INCREASES w/ height) on the sounding below 700mb. One around 930mb and another near 900mb.

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The inversion is probably the result of radiational cooling taking place given the clear skies over the region now that the sun has set and diurnal heating has been lost.

The combination of superrefraction caused by the low level inversions and the low tilt angle (you are seeing the tilt angle of .5 degrees on the NWS site) the beam is being scattered off of lower level objects promoting an increase in ground clutter and giving the appearance of precipitation over the region.

Here is the TBW radar at 2.5 DEG and 3.5 DEG tilts. You will notice that since we have increase the beam tilt (away from the SFC and lower levels) the ground clutter is almost gone.

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Here is TBW NEXRAD at .5 DEG tilt. Notice that the Low Beam tilt is picking up PLENTY of ground clutter close to the radar site. Now as I Increase the tilt to 2.5 degrees the amount of ground clutter is reduced.

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Notice w/ the tilt angle at 2.5 degrees most of the ground clutter is gone.

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At 3.5 degrees the ground clutter is gone.
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#11 Postby Yankeegirl » Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:23 pm

Houstons radar looks like that all the time.. All it is, is ground clutter and false echos... I notice that it is humid when it does that.... Looks cool though!
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#12 Postby Cookiely » Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:27 pm

wxguy25 wrote:There’s nothing strange about that radar image at all. Its just ground clutter. The reason why this happens is b/c the radar beam is bending more toward the surface as a result of a weak temperature inversion over the region. This process is called SUPERREFRACTION.

If we take a look at the 23z Sounding at TPA, we can see that there are two primary layers of temperature inversion (where the temperature actually INCREASES w/ height) on the sounding below 700mb. One around 930mb and another near 900mb.

Image

The inversion is probably the result of radiational cooling taking place given the clear skies over the region now that the sun has set and diurnal heating has been lost.

The combination of superrefraction caused by the low level inversions and the low tilt angle (you are seeing the tilt angle of .5 degrees on the NWS site) the beam is being scattered off of lower level objects promoting an increase in ground clutter and giving the appearance of precipitation over the region.

Here is the TBW radar at 2.5 DEG and 3.5 DEG tilts. You will notice that since we have increase the beam tilt (away from the SFC and lower levels) the ground clutter is almost gone.

Image

Here is TBW NEXRAD at .5 DEG tilt. Notice that the Low Beam tilt is picking up PLENTY of ground clutter close to the radar site. Now as I Increase the tilt to 2.5 degrees the amount of ground clutter is reduced.

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Notice w/ the tilt angle at 2.5 degrees most of the ground clutter is gone.

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At 3.5 degrees the ground clutter is gone.

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. Happy New Year.
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#13 Postby ohiostorm » Sun Dec 26, 2004 11:30 pm

Yeah Pittsburgh's does that from time to time on very clear nights.
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#14 Postby wxguy25 » Mon Dec 27, 2004 12:22 am

ohiostorm wrote:Yeah Pittsburgh's does that from time to time on very clear nights.


yep the radiational cooling leads to a temperature inversion in the low levels resulting in superrefraction.
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