Delicate question here...

[streetsoldier]

Stephanie, Rainband, et al...

It doesn't matter what we "think" at all...it's what Wahhabi Islam (the single largest "denomination", supported and paid for by the Saudi government worldwide) teaches that is at the crux of the "10-40 window" problem ("10-40 window", meaning the latitudes between 10 and 40 degrees in Europe, Asia and Africa; from Morocco to the Philippines, under Islamic absolutism).

Know this...and maybe Western civilization just might survive the next 20 years.

[Arizwx]

Still using inflammatory rhetoric are you not Widre?Remember your 'other' thread regarding a 'Nicely Placed Nuke'?Have you not learned your lesson in thinking before you 'speak' so to speak?
Think Widre.Think.Your postulate is extremely sophomoric in nature,undeveloped and lacks supportive statement.

I find your response middle school in nature. You had the nerve to bring up the nuke statement, which has absolutely no bearing on this conversation whatsoever and moreover I apologized for it.

`Indeed you did apologise for it.I admire that.To clarify,I was making a comparison,of potentially offensive remarks..such as the Bible..the Holy Bible to which I subscribe is somehow in your thinking possibly conveived by Satan.That sir,to me is offensive.The Nuke remark was offensive.These remarks of mine were not intended to offend or to stifle your opinions.I made it clear,and used the word 'respect' with regard to your Agnostic point of view.Clearly,I used Quid Pro Quo.That is hardly Middle School.Again,I made my statements not to insult,rather to illustrate.

It sounds like a Middle Schooler being 'difficult' at the dinner table.Well,'Gee dad,what if..(fill in the rant du jour).Possibly you could be a part time writer for 'SouthPark'with this 'Devil's'Advocate baiting.

I am just challenging the idea that Christians are right and Muslims are wrong. In other words, I was cutting the foundation of Christianity down to size. It's no better than anyone else's opinion about the nature of the universe. That your best argument against it is a poorly attempted ad hominem just goes to show that you have no valid argument against it.

This Widre is in a true sense,arrogant.Who charged you with 'cutting the Foundation of Christianity down'?You assumed the role.Therefore,it is my contention that if you have self appointed yourself to do so,be aware that I will repsond in kind,respectfully.Quid Pro Quo.Moreover,I do not blindly accept anything.I do..indeed,as you have many questions.I have however to approach this journey with,an open mind as I stated.Therefore,this 'goes to show' that I will debate,and not argue.There is a distinct difference.

This thread is not about your misgivings,or your search,or Christians or Jews or Buddhists 'Proving' anything,other than the fact that Dogma is involved in Iraq,and the Arab World,and has been a Centre point of Culture for Thousands of years.One cannot dismiss fact.
Moreover,if you want 'proof' there is plenty to go around..IF one's heart and soul are open..this is a lock that you and you alone must decide to find a key to.Your choice.

Dogma is the center of EVERY religion. If you guys want go on pretending that Christianity is somehow different, go ahead, but you are wrong.

I agree,Dogma is the center of Religion.In what way did you assume I did not understand this?We agree.
'You Guys' is a broad statement.Christianity is made up of many Religions,with varying degrees of uniqueness combined with the core Dogma.To proclaim that people are wrong after an incorrect assumption is not condusive to engaging in cohesive debate.I normally,use "IMO" also when lableing someone as flat out wrong.After all,it is an opinion not fact.

Did you take the time to read my response earlier in this thread?Did you learn anything?Methinks not.
I respect your Agnostic stance,and will not argue your right.But Widre,to use your 'logic'..what if you are wrong?

It doesn't matter if I am wrong because I do not claim to know. Christians do, and I was showing that they very well could be wrong. Blind faith doesn't get them off the hook because they could be having blind faith towards the wrong thing (in this case, Satan).

My faith is hardly Blind.I am on no hook to get off of.I do not subsribe to the Evangelical approach.Nor do I claim to have all the answers.To me,and for me it is personal.If I lead a good life,by good example and I am identified as a Catholic Christian man,I am satisfied,however,I do not charge myself with forcing my beliefs on anyone and never will.I am not perfect,and walk a thin line at times.But,I do my best to realise when and if I have made a mistake or misjudged.This is the process for me.For which,I do not apologise.

Thank You for the Spirted debate.

[JQ Public]

interesting arguments once again... just popping it up once again to hear more. All i have to say is that wars like these just make me even more confused spiritually. Not to mention that i was already confused enough.

[CajunMama]

IMO we need to keep religion out of this war. We are trying to help Iraq, not divide it. The United States of America was based on different religous beliefs. No one religion is wrong. I grew up Presbyerian and am now a converted Catholic.

Don't force any type of religion down these peoples throat. If they choose to be Islam, so be it. Let them learn by our example - FREEDOM of Religion.

[sunny shine]

Not Islam in the face of Bin Laden nor Hussein, but an Islam that is peaceful and does not condone violence in the name of religion. Regardless, with this war we did not return democracy, dictatorship, or a kingdom but helped to turn them back into an Islam based Republic.

[southerngale]

I see SG,
I respectfully apologise if I misunderstood.It is,very good indeed.

No problem Arizwx. I'm just relieved it was a misunderstanding.

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Now, as for bringing them basic needs first, I agree. But there's nothing wrong with witnessing to them while helping them. And nobody is forcing anyone to convert but everyone should be told about Jesus. I think everyone should have the option whether they want to go to Heaven or not and the only way to get there is through Jesus Christ. I believe everyone on this planet should have that option...it's a choice.

[Steve H.]

Not to be argumentative, but Some of you misunderstand! God either is or he isn't; there's no buffet here. If you believe in the bible and are a Christian, by definition you believe in all its tenets! If you are Muslim you believe in the Korans tenets. And the Jew believes the Torah and old scripture (testament). The bible tells us to evangelize with a cheerful heart (see 1st Peter). The Koran talks of evangelizing in a different way; through economic and militant means. The Jew wants nothing to do with any of it. In fact, they don't want any mixing in! I will post a good website explaining the Koran when I get home for those who wish to get some insight. Point is, there is no peaceful or no violent Islamic belief. It is what it is. Just go ask the department head at the University of Central Florida who was arrested last month for conspiring with terrorists...he'll tell you what it means :o Any Muslim worth his salt will seek to overtake the planet. They are doing a good job. They are the fastest growing religion BY FAR in the world, particularly in Indonesia and Europe. I almost have to agree with street soldier...it doesn't matter what we think.

[southerngale]

I keep seeing "not now", which is completely inexcusable as an answer. How about "not ever"? It isn't our job to convert them to Christianity anymore than it is their job to convert us to Islam (and how many people here would agree that that is the way to go?). It is nothing more than arrogance to assume that we need to convert them. If Christianity turns out to be the one and true path, then God will take care of those who weren't Christians. But we should not be the ones to make the judgement except for ourselves.

Well, you're right that it isn't our job to convert them.

However, it is our job to tell them about Jesus. By the way, God will also take care of the Christians who stand back and do nothing while lost souls don't make it to Heaven.

[southerngale]

How do you guys know you are right?

Satan could have created the Bible and it could be Satan with whom you believe you have a relationship. Since Satan is obviously a much more powerful being than any and all of us, this would be an easy task. On top of it, we would have no way of knowing, especially with this kind of blind faith going on.

One must be careful.

Oh my :o

If you don't know someone, I guess you can doubt his existence. But for the people who do know that someone, obviously they KNOW of his existence.

I can tell you this: The relationship that I have is not with Satan but is with God. I know this because I know God. You cannot dispute that.